just been looking for the IRA outrage threads, can't seem to find any...... just saying like

Oh let's side track the argument by bringing the Ulster problems into the fray.

I know, why critically think about the situation and it's issues when you can just blame one side or the other. It's far easier.

And how would you describe those who shot down the 'plane?

Hamas actualy has very little option.

Do nothing and watch Gaza and the palestinians slowly die or carry out ineffectual rocket attacks because that is the only way anyone in the west ( who can influence Israel) will actually take any notice.

No rockets and no one even thinks about Palestine

It could substantially increase its options if it abandoned its inviolable position that it will never under any circumstances recognise Israel. In some ways that has about as much point as a native American swearing he will never recognise the US.

Look at those lovely IS folk, stoning women to death for banging somebody who wasn't their husband.

I'm off to the town hall tomorrow to ask them to put on a show of solidarity for the Yazidi's trapped on Sinjar.

The rocket attacks aren't achieving anything though, they don't seem to be killing any great numbers and Israel is still land grabbing and killing Palestinians in huge numbers. The end to this latest ceasefire was interesting, usually there's an immediate start to hostilities on both sides so it's hard to pinpoint who actually struck first. This time Israel didn't do anything and let Hamas fire away for a bit before relaunching, just to prove a point.

The problem seems to be that no-one really seems to give much of a toss about what's happening, apart from the Grauniad reading, professional morally outraged.

Yet i would argue that there is a very strong correlation between those that are involved sympathetic to ISIS and those who feel angry at western involvement in backing corrupt Arab regimes and doing nothing to put any REAL pressure on Israel to come to an acceptable two state solution.

To a large extent i agree BUT see my last post on the link with Radicalising muslims.

Secondly when the Palestinians were represented by the PLO who had recognised Israel the Israelis showed absolutely no commitment to negotiating.
!/ At no point did they stop building settlements
2/ They were clear they would not negotiate until they had pretty much taken over jerusalem.

It was the weakness of the PLO through negotiation to achieve absolutely ANYTHING that led Hamas being seen as an alternative.
What they did want was the PLO to wipe out Hamas. THe PLO were happy to do this in return for tangible agreements but they were not forthcoming so the PLO did not take on Hamas.

Israels policy is clear to anyone who wants to see it. That is to force the Palestinians into extremism and then use that as an excuse to do whatever they want in the occupied territories.

Unfortunately the alternative for the Palestinians is to turn back to the PLO who Israel treats with contempt and for them to do whatever they want in the occupied territories.

If you are a Palestinian you are in a no win situation. The only difference is that when people are so oppressed as the Palestinians are you often hold on to the one thing that makes some sense which is resistance.
Firing a few rockets into Israel or killng 60 odd Israeli soldiers is seen as something

Hamas is not the solution, moderate palestinians are not the solution as long as America and Britain et al want the problem to persist and do nothing to solve the problem they created.

It's seen as the only thing. Which is the problem. If there's anyone calm enough to stop and think about the way forward they're drowned out by the "take to the streets and fire guns in the air brigade". It's a concept that's alien to us, as Brits.

While Hamas continue to fire rockets it gives an excuse for the USA, UK and others to turn a blind eye. We are where we are, and unless someone is going to give Hamas bigger, more deadly weapons it's where we'll continue to be.

Sometimes I think about this situation and say to myself.......put the Palestinians and Israelis somewhere isolated and let them bomb the hell out of each other once and for all and get it all finished with but, obviously, this cannot be done.

Israeli government v Hamas is a better option.

There are plenty of decent, innocent Palestinians and Israelis caught up in the pub fight mentality of the two above. Let THEM fight it out and let the people get on with their lives.

Time was, albeit a few thousand years ago, when that's exactly what happened.

Let the Knesset and Hamas meet on some open field somewhere and duke it out until one gives in or they manage to kill each other