Perhaps McKenzie and South Yorkshire Police should hold up a big sign saying 'friendship' towards the Liverpool fans and all will be forgotten?

Or perhaps the Pie Eaters could hold up a sign saying "Sorry our grandparents were scabs!" Just to remind everyone (as if we didn't already know) how you blacklegs got your nickname.

He'd look far better in this,

They could do. 3 out of 4 of my Grandparents were/are from St. Helens.

i knew you would reply to this.
the majority of neutrals dont just think man ure fans are wan*ers, they all KNOW IT.some of us read red cafe and red issue and read about your mighty fine upstanding fans extolling their funny adventures about"jibbing" into grounds and thus causing overcrowding which could have led to another hillsborough, but its man u fans, they do what they want,sod the consequences.
obviously you lot have never done the being crushed gesture or that the majority at old toilet, not the minority,and at aways sing about hillsborough.maybe the cameras will catch all that instead!!!!!!

do you want LFC fans carted back to belgium to face trial and to be jailed for heysel???
well that s already happened. what else do you want to happen regarding heysel?
has man u as a club and its fans apologised to the crystal palace supporters family after being killed by your lovely cheeky fans!!!
you chant murderers.not one of you lot can see the hypocrisy(sp) in that chant,just as you all sing about your hatred for scousers and yet you have rooney in your team!!!!!

And this is why a cannot abide football, look at the spite and vitriol from the two above posts. The fact that either Man U Or Liverpool fans have chants and gestures about incidents such as Munich, heysel and hillsborough tells you all you need to know. Football seems to bring the worst out of people for some reason

I agree with you about Kelvin MacKenzie. Even if it was true and properly sourced, he shouldn't have printed that anyway. But the truth will never be known and his sources were exceptionally weak.

But a court/tribunal verdict is only accepted by you if it's in your favour. To LFC Luis Suarez is innocent, John Terry is guilty, Steven Gerrard is innocent, Michael Shields is innocent.

So forgive me for not accepting the way you insist verdicts in your favour should be respected while you claim verdicts against you have no merit.

Apart from the heinous crime of being a Tory MP, what other reason do you have for wanting his knighthood stripped?

This.

But nobody will listen

Being against sanctions on apartheid SA, supports the death penalty and strongly supporting Section 28 should be enough, but apart from that he was one of the sources for The Sun's fiction of drunken fans urinating on dead people etc

He was simply repeating what had been told to him. He gave the interview to the SY news agency, so it will have been available to all the other papers as well. The Sun chose to run with it and print allegations as the truth. Other newspapers didn't.

Kelvin MacKenzie is trying to divert attention away from himself, and it's clearly working. But Patnick did nothing wrong over that. He was an MP passing on second hand information, and it was always obvious that's what it was. IMO there is a strong argument that The Sun shouldn't have printed what they did even if they had videotaped proof. The deaths of of 90 (or however many it was at that time) innocent people and injuries to hundreds more was so much more important. But MacKenzie chose to write that story on the back of exceptionally weak sources.

MacKenzie deserves 100% condemnation over what he did. I'm just not seeing why Patnick is being included in the vilification. I just get a feeling of Dy David Kelly over this. And I don't like the fact that the public can so quickly demonize a person over important issues when there really is no reason for it.

And this is acceptable how?

On an individual basis, repeating a libel is itself libel. I don't see why Pantick should be excused because he was repeating lies, rather than inventing them.

If he said "Some Liverpool supporters robbed from the dead and dying. Others urinated over dead bodies. Others hampered police efforts to help the dying by showering them with abuse." then he was wrong and I'd support efforts for him to be stripped of his knighthood.

If he said, "Police officers told me that they had witnessed some supporters stealing from the dead, urinating on the dying and abusing officers while they tried to help" and that is an accurate summation of what he'd be told then he was doing nothing wrong.

I read his statement to Lord Taylor. His report was clearly stating that police officers had made the comments to him.

If you have some evidence that he repeated what he'd been told as fact then please post a link to it.

Kelvin MacKenzie is guilty of the first example.

You are very insensitive. 90 (or however many is was as the time) is crass in the extreme.

Hang your head in shame.

Almost as bad as the Spectator's "50 or more".

Shameful.