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I work with traffic, so i notice more than others the delays caused, the frequency of accidents and the types of accidents, usually it's November when we tend to have the most but due to the mild weather i think it may be december this time round, the main problem is drivers not adapting the way they drive from the last few summer/dry months, driving education/standards are terrible and the driving test doesn't do enough for me. I think motorway driving should be a separate compulsory test, plus the original test should be 2 hours plus an interview with the examiner on common sense road issues. I'm trained to a high standard of driving so it frustrates me that people haven't got a clue how dangerous their actions are at times.

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Quote: Horatio Yed "driving education/standards are terrible and the driving test doesn't do enough for me.'"


I am a driving instructor.
Would you please explain. What you think is wrong with driving education please.

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I'm going off what i see in London, i saw an instructor tell is pupil not to let a car in that was trying to squeeze in a lane in crawling traffic he made this girl (i know i was next to it in the 3rd lane) drive right up the backside of the car in front so he couldn't get in, shocking.
My main gripe is when i took my PCV i couldn 't believe what i was learning that i hadn't been taught at entry level car learning, i then took my bus instructors corse and was further enlightened. Yourself being an instructor must realise that drivers need more tuition and more education than they currently get, how many pupils have you had start their first lesson in spring and pass before winter thus never experiencing winter weather in a learning situation? I think skid pan driving should also be a given.
Although i gave one example of bad driving instructing and i've seen a few more, it wasn't you guys i was actually targeting, more the directives you're given. The people who set the standards and directives need to change for you to follow them. With more people learning to drive and being on the roads it's important the standard should rise.

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I think Yed is right in that driving different conditions should be tested or at least taught by the instructor. My birthday is in May and so I started my driving lessons in may and was passed by the end of October and so obviously had no experience of driving in snow or ice until after I'd passed my test. Also, as I live in York that is very flat I had no experience of driving up or down steep hills or hill-starts.

Being taught what to do when the car starts to skid in snow or on ice would have been very useful and just general driving tips in such conditions.

There isn't that much that a driving test/lessons can do about the arrogant pillocks that drive far too fast/cut people up/overtake where they shouldn't etc as that's generally an attitude that is inherent to that person. But I think the driving lessons and tests could help educate people a lot more than it currently does.

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Whilst 3,000+ deaths a year is a shocking figure; given the volume and density of that traffic in this country what is that figure as a % of car journeys?

Before you can say we are all terrible drivers you first need to understand the figures and how they compare to other similar countries. Also how many of these deaths involved young drivers in their first two years of driving - both of my boys had very serious accidents within the first 3 months of passing their test - my daughter only accident was to take out a petrol pump!!?

Maybe what is required is everyone attend Cod-ed's school of motoring - he has never had to break unexpectedly in 30+ years of driving icon_biggrin.gif so he claims anyway icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Sal Paradise "
Maybe what is required is everyone attend Cod-ed's school of motoring - he has never had to break unexpectedly in 30+ years of driving
Perhaps he just plans his journeys very well and knows where all the nicest service stations and cafés en route are.

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Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "Perhaps he just plans his journeys very well and knows where all the nicest service stations and cafés en route are.'"

Far from it. In fact he has often placed personal safety aside and nominated himself as pathfinder through some of the very worst weather the UK has ever seen; bravely clearing the way where others dare not venture. Miles of vulnerable and lesser drivers hugging tightly behind our noble wagoneer.

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Quote: guess who "I am a driving instructor.
Would you please explain. What you think is wrong with driving education please.'"


You teach to a standard, that standard isn't high enough.
The complete lack of compulsory motorway experience either pre or post test is frankly lethal.

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Quote: Cronus "Far from it. In fact he has often placed personal safety aside and nominated himself as pathfinder through some of the very worst weather the UK has ever seen; bravely clearing the way where others dare not venture. Miles of vulnerable and lesser drivers hugging tightly behind our noble wagoneer.'"


If you're gonna have a pop, at least make even a cursory attempt at getting your facts right. It's only last month you were corrected on this matter in the M5 Fog thread

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Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "Perhaps he just plans his journeys very well and knows where all the nicest service stations and cafés en route are.'"


Waste of time, he struggles to differentiate between something that enables a vehicle to stop and something to do once that vehicle has stopped.

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Quote: cod'ead "Waste of time, he struggles to differentiate between something that enables a vehicle to stop and something to do once that vehicle has stopped.'"


At least you got it...

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Quote: Sal Paradise "

Maybe what is required is everyone attend Cod-ed's school of motoring - he has never had to break unexpectedly in 30+ years of driving
You are aware that I never, ever said I hadn't ever had to brake heavily?

What I did say was that my Advanced HGV training taught me better roadcraft and to be more aware of road/other driver situations. In fact the last time I had to brake suddenly was when a motorcyclist crossed the carriageway in front of my car. If I hadn't slowed first because I saw him getting out of shape on the opposite side of the road, he'd most likely have ended up going through my windscreen. In fact according to that map:

"This incident took place on the A371 in South Somerset at 3.11pm on 10 May 2009. One moptorbike and one car (not mine) were involved. The rider of the motorbike, a man aged 31, died"

The car that killed him was the one following me and after the motorcyclist hed passed in front of my car, he hit the hedge and bounced back out into the road. The Escourt behind me ran over him. Neither vehicles were insured

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Quote: cod'ead "If you're gonna have a pop, at least make even a cursory attempt at getting your facts right. It's only last month you were corrected on this matter in the M5 Fog thread'"

Is that right? You mean where several people were speculating about the cause of the crash - one of which was the firework smoke theory. I certainly don't recall ever being "corrected". In fact your penultimate post on the thread is precisely that - speculation on a theory. What I do recall is you crying about how the police were gathering statements, evidence and carrying out forensic investigation as though you knew better.

You're a little over-sensitive today ain'tcha? You're actually an idol of mine and I use your brave example and psychic roadcraft as inspiration every time I pop down to Asda.

With your visionary skills I'd never have hit that postman in 2007. True story dat.

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Quote: Big Graeme "The complete lack of compulsory motorway experience either pre or post test is frankly lethal.'"


Totally agree. I'm not the best driver in the world, but the lack of awareness of how to drive on a motorway(I DID have a motorway lesson) is astonishing and frankly, frightening.

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Quote: Chris28 "Totally agree. I'm not the best driver in the world,.'"


Bravo Sir. Most people would argue till they were blue in the face that they are better at driving than anyone, we've got a few on this thread who believe their training was better than anyone else's. It's refreshing to hear someone admit they are not Mr Perfect Driver.

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