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'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png

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Preamble starts> I’ve noticed that some insults are being thrown across the political divide(s) on a few threads.

When you’ve spent a lot of years coming to understand the world as best you can, it can be easy, day-to-day, to imagine that those who understand it differently must be malign or manipulated or misinformed or just plain dumb. But, while that is undoubtedly true of some, to some degree, the idea that it is very true for very many people... seems unlikely to me (attacks on 5G infrastructure etc., apart). Most people are decent enough in my experience.

I think we can also all fall into the trap of working back from our self-image as liberal/conservative/whatever to a position that fits our existing worldview, or philosophy if we’re feeling grandiose, rather looking at arguments on their merits. <preamble ends

To mix and freshen things up and challenge our preconceptions about the world and each other, I’d like to suggest mashing up elements of Fantasy Policy Advisor (not a real thing afaik) and the Stanford prison experiment (real thing, not without issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment)

I’m imagining two small teams, each containing right- and left-leaning members, coming up with four or five bullet point policies as the basis of a political manifesto for the UK, for discussion with and criticism by the other team.

Anybody want to play?
Preamble starts> I’ve noticed that some insults are being thrown across the political divide(s) on a few threads.

When you’ve spent a lot of years coming to understand the world as best you can, it can be easy, day-to-day, to imagine that those who understand it differently must be malign or manipulated or misinformed or just plain dumb. But, while that is undoubtedly true of some, to some degree, the idea that it is very true for very many people... seems unlikely to me (attacks on 5G infrastructure etc., apart). Most people are decent enough in my experience.

I think we can also all fall into the trap of working back from our self-image as liberal/conservative/whatever to a position that fits our existing worldview, or philosophy if we’re feeling grandiose, rather looking at arguments on their merits. <preamble ends

To mix and freshen things up and challenge our preconceptions about the world and each other, I’d like to suggest mashing up elements of Fantasy Policy Advisor (not a real thing afaik) and the Stanford prison experiment (real thing, not without issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment)

I’m imagining two small teams, each containing right- and left-leaning members, coming up with four or five bullet point policies as the basis of a political manifesto for the UK, for discussion with and criticism by the other team.

Anybody want to play?


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If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Frederick Douglas:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_30596.jpg



You're Zimbardo then Squire?
I'd play, but I definitely do not have time to play at the moment.

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Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "You're Zimbardo then Squire?
I'd play, but I definitely do not have time to play at the moment.'"


Nah, I’d want to play.

For reasons very different and less important than yours, my work is mad busy at the minute. Need something else for my mind to have a break with.

I hope you’re as well as can be, under the circumstances.

At least Rovers are unbeaten these last few weeks!

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Quote: Mild Rover "Nah, I’d want to play.

For reasons very different and less important than yours, my work is mad busy at the minute. Need something else for my mind to have a break with.

I hope you’re as well as can be, under the circumstances.

At least Rovers are unbeaten these last few weeks!'"

a bit like FC, even more so since squads were furloughed, our lot where in such a state that they could probably lose an unopposed training session, against themselves!

(politics aside, I too hope everyone is as well as can be)

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Quote: IR80 "a bit like FC, even more so since squads were furloughed, our lot where in such a state that they could probably lose an unopposed training session, against themselves!

(politics aside, I too hope everyone is as well as can be)'"


I think Radford did a good job with Hull - it is hard to argue with silverware - but I think his stint had reached a natural end. That last game against Warrington was very poor. Wouldn’t mind seeing him at Rovers one day, down the line - a couple of years off from being ‘mobile’ would be nice.

Rawsthorne’s late try to spare our blushes against Leigh in the cup was a welcome relief, but we were/are in relegation trouble again.

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Cognitive diversity - 9/11 could have been prevented with a bit of that

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Cognitive diversity - 9/11 could have been prevented with a bit of that'"


It was weapons of Mass Destruction you plum.

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Quote: WIZEB "It was weapons of Mass Destruction you plum.'"


Yes of course - but perhaps with a different skill set of thought processes in the CIA then the perpetrators would have been caught before they actually on the planes?

I appreciate that kind of thinking is beyond a plum like you?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Yes of course - but perhaps with a different skill set of thought processes in the CIA then the perpetrators would have been caught before they actually on the planes?

I appreciate that kind of thinking is beyond a plum like you?'"


Not like you to be all about if's and but's Sal.
We know deep down you think Johnson is a bit of a chancer, just let it out. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: WIZEB "Not like you to be all about if's and but's Sal.
We know deep down you think Johnson is a bit of a chancer, just let it out.
I don't think its and if I think its a known fact the like of diversity in the CIA was a major contributory factor to the success of 9/11

I am under no illusion as to Boris' faults - as we all to Corbyn's - for all his faults we are damn site better of with Boris in charge than grandpa - come you let it out we know deep down what you really think.

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Quote: "I don't think its and if I think its a known fact the like of diversity in the CIA was a major contributory factor to the success of 9/11'"


Success?
Not for the couple of thousand Yanks ground to dust or the tens of thousands of women and children who perished in the retributory crusade that followed.


Quote: "I am under no illusion as to Boris' faults - as we all to Corbyn's - for all his faults we are damn site better of with Boris in charge than grandpa - come you let it out we know deep down what you really think.'"


Yup, it'd have to be Jezza over the Bullingdon boy every time for me.
I'm just a sucker for a bit of social equality everytime.
It's a pipe-dream but it doesn't stop the wanting. icon_biggrin.gif

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Pencilling WIZEB and Sal in for the Plum team!

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Quote: Mild Rover "Pencilling WIZEB and Sal in for the Plum team!'"


Thanks.
I went to Damsonian College, Withernsea. icon_biggrin.gif

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Wouldn't the most logical manifesto simply repeat whatever Finland has in theirs? Finland is frequently identified as the happiest country in the world whereas typically the UK sits around 15th. I accept that the geography and population density etc are different but surely they must be doing something right that we can adopt.

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Quote: silver2 "Wouldn't the most logical manifesto simply repeat whatever Finland has in theirs? Finland is frequently identified as the happiest country in the world whereas typically the UK sits around 15th. I accept that the geography and population density etc are different but surely they must be doing something right that we can adopt.'"


Coincidentally, given the bipartisan idea for this thread, the Finns generally have coalition governments - they use proportional representation and multi-seat constituencies.

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Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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