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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Wasn't sure if I'd post this here or on the VT, but here is probably better.

Reading a number of threads on RL forums, I have seen an increased right wing rhetoric, that I didn't think existed in the game.
To be clear.....this isn't a racist attitude, but more of a jingoistic one........

Question is. Is England (not Britain) becoming more insular

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Quote: Call Me God "Question is. Is England (not Britain) becoming more insular'"


Yes - without question; the conduct of the referendum campaign and subsequent discourse has brought to the surface some really ugly beliefs, that I thought were either a thing of the past, or had become so socially unacceptable that they wouldn't be expressed out loud in most circumstances.

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I don't think it has become anymore jingoistic than in previous years. It has been that way since before the referendum and I don't think it's confined to England either.

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I think views have become polarised but social media and internet forums are quite impersonal and have an unfortunate way of making people behave and speak in a way they wouldn’t in person which polarises things even more. Whether that displays their real thoughts or not is up for debate.

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Brexit appeared to validate certain right wing views, especially as the issue was primarily centred around immigration.
However, racism accross society exists in every sport in every country of the world.

Also, social media seems to allow anyone to post something, without any fear of consequence, which does "allow" extremists room to breath.
To counter this. Anything posted on social media is an opinion of one person (age and personality unknown) and there must be occasions where certain people ate "dropping a pebble into the pool", just to watch the ripples, rather than necessarily wanting to promote a certain viewpoint.
However, serious action is taken against people for posting hate / racist messages, it will continue.

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Quote: Call Me God "
Question is. Is England (not Britain) becoming more insular'"

Yes, as well as more divided. I find it very difficult to reason with the older, selfish, mostly racist, Brexit voting generation.

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It's been gradually getting worse since the 2008 financial crisis. Nations always become increasingly right wing after an economic shock.

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "Yes, as well as more divided. I find it very difficult to reason with the older, selfish, mostly racist, Brexit voting generation.'"


Probably because,as an ageist,you do not make any effort to reason with either older people,or Brexit voters.

You will probably find,should you attempt to reason with either an elderly person,or a Brexit voter,or both,that younger people voted Brexit,and the older people who voted in the same way,are anything but racist.

Super League wants to be insular.Perhaps that can be addressed,rather than guesswork on other matters.

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Quote: Ornery Optimist "You will probably find,should you attempt to reason with either an elderly person,or a Brexit voter,or both,that younger people voted Brexit,and the older people who voted in the same way,are anything but racist.'"


As Will Self wisely said, not everyone who voted to leave is racist, but most racists probably voted to leave; there was a reason it made Mark Francois go even more gammon-hued than normal - because it was true.

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "Yes, as well as more divided. I find it very difficult to reason with the older, selfish, mostly racist, Brexit voting generation.'"



Edited and warned for personal abuse Durham Giant

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Quote: bren2k "As Will Self wisely said, not everyone who voted to leave is racist, but most racists probably voted to leave; there was a reason it made Mark Francois go even more gammon-hued than normal - because it was true.'"


I thought it was quite a sweeping and a rather strange statement from Self when he said it on Daily Politics as he obviously didn't know for certain as none of us do. I think he was just trying to wind Francois up and succeeded.

There was no doubt an increase in racists using the referendum result for their brainless moronic behaviour. But I just can't believe there are no racists in the remain camp that equally wouldn't do the same. I'm sure that if all the alleged Anti Semitic MPs in the Labour Party and alleged Islamaphobics in the Tory party all voted to leave we would have left the EU by now.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Brexit appeared to validate certain right wing views, especially as the issue was primarily centred around immigration.
However, racism accross society exists in every sport in every country of the world.

Also, social media seems to allow anyone to post something, without any fear of consequence, which does "allow" extremists room to breath.
To counter this. Anything posted on social media is an opinion of one person (age and personality unknown) and there must be occasions where certain people ate "dropping a pebble into the pool", just to watch the ripples, rather than necessarily wanting to promote a certain viewpoint.
However, serious action is taken against people for posting hate / racist messages, it will continue.'"


Whilst I agree with most of what you say, I disagree that Brexit was centred around immigration. There were lots of reasons people voted to leave the EU and Freedom of movement (not immigration) was just one of them, this country needs immigration that their is no doubt.

Racism does exist in every sport, however, I must say I very rarely if ever come across it in our game.

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Quote: POSTL "Edited and warned for personal abuse Durham Giant'"


Oh well, no point me applying for a moderators post then.

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Quote: Call Me God "Wasn't sure if I'd post this here or on the VT, but here is probably better.

Reading a number of threads on RL forums, I have seen an increased right wing rhetoric, that I didn't think existed in the game.
To be clear.....this isn't a racist attitude, but more of a jingoistic one........

Question is. Is England (not Britain) becoming more insular'"


In what way do you think that England is becoming more insular, we are a multi racial society, but. I don't think we are an integrated society, but that's not just the English.

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