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I suppose many of you will have heard about tennis player Sharapova accidentally(sic) failing a drugs test.

Well I decided to look into what she has been taking all these years.

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Now the interesting thing about this matter is the excellent public relations exercise that she is engaged in trying to obtain sympathy, and I may say succeeding amongst a great deal of the general population. Most of whom wont bother to look into what she took and why it was banned.

It was also refreshing to see ex Tennis professional and commentator Andrew Castle pointing out the astonishing fact that her management apparently didn't bother to read up on the wada banned substance list.

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I don't know what Sharapova was taking but I know what I'd give her

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It highlights a fact that I came around to agreeing with following the Lance Armstrong affair. Rather than being opposed to drug cheats the truth is sport actively condones them. But only on the proviso that they don't get caught - in which case they are buried.

One of the big questions which was left completely untouched in the wake of Armstrong was - how much did his business partners know? Likewise, how much did the Lance Armstrong charity know?

I certainly didn't buy that fawning propaganda piece by Alex Gibney (who never saw a corporate dollar he didn't like).

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She will have people solely employed to advise on diet and nutrition, you'd think at least one of 'team' Sharapova would have been keeping an eye on the banned substances list.

Personally I think it will be rife in most sports, it's just a game of Russian roulette as to whether you get tested or caught.

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Quote: A few days ago, after I received a letter from the ITF, I found out it also has another name of meldonium, which I did not know, "...but had known the drug as mildronate.

"A few days ago, after I received a letter from the ITF, I found out it also has another name of meldonium, which I did not know,"'"


Define "found out"! If as a pro athlete whose profession depends on steering clear of banned substances, you get an updated 'banned' list, it seems astonishingly blase to claim you didn't twig. It's not as if everyone isn't aware that drugs have a generic as well as brand name, is it?

Apart from that, those advising her must have known she was on this drug, so they must have curiously missed the point too.

But if you aren't interested enough to find out when WADA send you a new banned substances list, then its not exactly the sort of thing you casually "find out"; how did she find out? Happening to read an article about mildronate whilst extremely bored?

Quote: A few days ago, after I received a letter from the ITF, I found out it also has another name of meldonium, which I did not know, ""She added that Wada had sent her an email on 22 December informing her of changes to the banned list, but she had failed to "click" on the link that would have detailed the prohibited items."'"

Leaving aside the improbability that her advisers also failed to realise AND failed to 'click on the link' as well, (what do they actually do, then?) I find it almost beyond belief that she would get such a fundamentally vital email yet "fail to click on the link" or give it to someone in her team to click on the link for her.

If her account is true then she deserves the same ban as taking it deliberately, as she clearly didn't care whether the pills she was popping were legal or not, having better things to occupy her time than clicking on some boring link of detailed banned substances.

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...Agree she will have a team of coaches/conditioners/nutritionists etc all of whom will be fully on top of what is banned '"


Personally I think it will be rife in most sports, it's just a game of Russian roulette as to whether you get tested or caught.'"
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Agree she will have a team of coaches/conditioners/nutritionists etc all of whom will be fully on top of what is banned and what isn't even if she isn't ontop of it (even though she should be). If she were a "mid-table" tennis player then I might have some sympathy with her but someone at the very top of tennis has the resources to ensure that 100% of the time they're not using something they shouldn't. Has to be a huge ban or it makes a mockery of the sport.

As for it being rife, I think it probably is in certain circumstances. I think it depends on what the potential rewards are for doing it. It probably lends itself more to individual rather than team sports. For instance there's nowhere near the same incentive for an individual player at, say, Widnes to be taking something because the potential reward isn't really worth it vs the risk of getting caught. But obviously in something like tennis, with millions of pounds up for grabs each year, there's a much bigger incentive.

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Agree she will have a team of coaches/conditioners/nutritionists etc all of whom will be fully on top of what is banned and what isn't ...'"


You'd think she'd have at least one pro to handle that side of things, not sure about a "team", but then if I think about it, I must say it is very odd if an athlete takes a banned substance, when they know (a) it's now banned and (b) it will certainly show up in their next test.

That's the bit that suggests monumental cockup rather than attempt to cheat, to me. Unless being tested was unlikely, but I thought they all had to provide samples.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "You'd think she'd have at least one pro to handle that side of things, not sure about a "team"'"


We're talking about professional Tennis at the pinnacle here, no way will it be one person's job. There will be at least 4 or 5 people employed; coach, manager/agent, doctor/physio, psychologist, dietician/nutritionalist. They won't be working for peanuts either, one report suggests a wage figure of around one million dollars.

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Pro athletes have doping information consistently forced upon them. It's so high profile that it simply isn't an excuse to say 'I didn't know.' I don't believe for one moment that such a high profile athlete with multiple hangers-on, medical team, personal Doctors, PR and general staff would just take any medication without high profile consultation on the subject.

She's been caught, and now trying to damage control everything.

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She has been the highest paid female athlete for the last 11 yrs. and is estimated to be worth $200 million.

Her Nike sponsorship is reputed to be $70 million in total and her losses per year, if banned, are reportedly $30 million per year.

She is a veritable cash cow, pardon the pun, and you would have thought it would be in someone's interest to look after her.

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She's been caught, and now trying to damage control everything.'"


She'll no doubt put some spin on it.

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If we recall Keiron Cunningham's mitigating circumstances which went along the lines of "unknowingly taken a banned substance" then perhaps this is the similar ? i.e. I have been taking this permitted substance without issue for 10yrs but since Jan its been banned and no-one told me.

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However - the piece from Dick Pound suggests that changes to the banned list were first published in Sep 15, so there's a significant time to make sure you're "clean' by Jan 16.

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Quote: shinymcshine "If we recall Keiron Cunningham's mitigating circumstances which went along the lines of "unknowingly taken a banned substance" then perhaps this is the similar ? i.e. I have been taking this permitted substance without issue for 10yrs but since Jan its been banned and no-one told me.'"

You would assume that someone like Sharapova, at the very top of the game, has people employed to ensure she doesn't take things that are banned.

I find it hard (not impossible, but hard) to believe that an elite sportsperson, in a sport with plenty of money riding on it and where they're paid lots of money, can take something without knowing what's in it or whether that substance is banned or not. Especially in individual sport.

I have no specific knowledge in this case but I have heard (from a sports conditioner) of cases where people have been taking banned substances alongside other substances that are initially legal. They've managed to mask the banned substances but then caught out when one of the initially legal substances they're taking is made illegal because they don't know how to mask it.

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Quote: Him "You would assume that someone like Sharapova, at the very top of the game, has people employed to ensure she doesn't take things that are banned. '"


I think the smart money goes on her having people to ensure she doesn't get caught.

We're not in the amateur game any more. She's a fully professional athlete. It stands to reason she and every other fully professional athlete will seek to exploit all possible avenues of advantage - legal or not. She would be UN-professional not to. If people didn't want this kind of thing cropping up in sport they should never have agreed to the introduction of professionalism.

I mean, I've yet to hear a single person argue the difference between performance-enhancing and non-performance-enhancing drugs without sounding ridiculous.

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Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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