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I suppose many of you will have heard about tennis player Sharapova accidentally(sic) failing a drugs test.

Well I decided to look into what she has been taking all these years.

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Now the interesting thing about this matter is the excellent public relations exercise that she is engaged in trying to obtain sympathy, and I may say succeeding amongst a great deal of the general population. Most of whom wont bother to look into what she took and why it was banned.

It was also refreshing to see ex Tennis professional and commentator Andrew Castle pointing out the astonishing fact that her management apparently didn't bother to read up on the wada banned substance list.

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I don't know what Sharapova was taking but I know what I'd give her

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It highlights a fact that I came around to agreeing with following the Lance Armstrong affair. Rather than being opposed to drug cheats the truth is sport actively condones them. But only on the proviso that they don't get caught - in which case they are buried.

One of the big questions which was left completely untouched in the wake of Armstrong was - how much did his business partners know? Likewise, how much did the Lance Armstrong charity know?

I certainly didn't buy that fawning propaganda piece by Alex Gibney (who never saw a corporate dollar he didn't like).

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She will have people solely employed to advise on diet and nutrition, you'd think at least one of 'team' Sharapova would have been keeping an eye on the banned substances list.

Personally I think it will be rife in most sports, it's just a game of Russian roulette as to whether you get tested or caught.

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Quote: A few days ago, after I received a letter from the ITF, I found out it also has another name of meldonium, which I did not know, "...but had known the drug as mildronate.

"A few days ago, after I received a letter from the ITF, I found out it also has another name of meldonium, which I did not know,"'"


Define "found out"! If as a pro athlete whose profession depends on steering clear of banned substances, you get an updated 'banned' list, it seems astonishingly blase to claim you didn't twig. It's not as if everyone isn't aware that drugs have a generic as well as brand name, is it?

Apart from that, those advising her must have known she was on this drug, so they must have curiously missed the point too.

But if you aren't interested enough to find out when WADA send you a new banned substances list, then its not exactly the sort of thing you casually "find out"; how did she find out? Happening to read an article about mildronate whilst extremely bored?

Quote: A few days ago, after I received a letter from the ITF, I found out it also has another name of meldonium, which I did not know, ""She added that Wada had sent her an email on 22 December informing her of changes to the banned list, but she had failed to "click" on the link that would have detailed the prohibited items."'"

Leaving aside the improbability that her advisers also failed to realise AND failed to 'click on the link' as well, (what do they actually do, then?) I find it almost beyond belief that she would get such a fundamentally vital email yet "fail to click on the link" or give it to someone in her team to click on the link for her.

If her account is true then she deserves the same ban as taking it deliberately, as she clearly didn't care whether the pills she was popping were legal or not, having better things to occupy her time than clicking on some boring link of detailed banned substances.

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...Agree she will have a team of coaches/conditioners/nutritionists etc all of whom will be fully on top of what is banned '"


Personally I think it will be rife in most sports, it's just a game of Russian roulette as to whether you get tested or caught.'"
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Agree she will have a team of coaches/conditioners/nutritionists etc all of whom will be fully on top of what is banned and what isn't even if she isn't ontop of it (even though she should be). If she were a "mid-table" tennis player then I might have some sympathy with her but someone at the very top of tennis has the resources to ensure that 100% of the time they're not using something they shouldn't. Has to be a huge ban or it makes a mockery of the sport.

As for it being rife, I think it probably is in certain circumstances. I think it depends on what the potential rewards are for doing it. It probably lends itself more to individual rather than team sports. For instance there's nowhere near the same incentive for an individual player at, say, Widnes to be taking something because the potential reward isn't really worth it vs the risk of getting caught. But obviously in something like tennis, with millions of pounds up for grabs each year, there's a much bigger incentive.

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Agree she will have a team of coaches/conditioners/nutritionists etc all of whom will be fully on top of what is banned and what isn't ...'"


You'd think she'd have at least one pro to handle that side of things, not sure about a "team", but then if I think about it, I must say it is very odd if an athlete takes a banned substance, when they know (a) it's now banned and (b) it will certainly show up in their next test.

That's the bit that suggests monumental cockup rather than attempt to cheat, to me. Unless being tested was unlikely, but I thought they all had to provide samples.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "You'd think she'd have at least one pro to handle that side of things, not sure about a "team"'"


We're talking about professional Tennis at the pinnacle here, no way will it be one person's job. There will be at least 4 or 5 people employed; coach, manager/agent, doctor/physio, psychologist, dietician/nutritionalist. They won't be working for peanuts either, one report suggests a wage figure of around one million dollars.

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Pro athletes have doping information consistently forced upon them. It's so high profile that it simply isn't an excuse to say 'I didn't know.' I don't believe for one moment that such a high profile athlete with multiple hangers-on, medical team, personal Doctors, PR and general staff would just take any medication without high profile consultation on the subject.

She's been caught, and now trying to damage control everything.

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She has been the highest paid female athlete for the last 11 yrs. and is estimated to be worth $200 million.

Her Nike sponsorship is reputed to be $70 million in total and her losses per year, if banned, are reportedly $30 million per year.

She is a veritable cash cow, pardon the pun, and you would have thought it would be in someone's interest to look after her.

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She's been caught, and now trying to damage control everything.'"


She'll no doubt put some spin on it.

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If we recall Keiron Cunningham's mitigating circumstances which went along the lines of "unknowingly taken a banned substance" then perhaps this is the similar ? i.e. I have been taking this permitted substance without issue for 10yrs but since Jan its been banned and no-one told me.

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However - the piece from Dick Pound suggests that changes to the banned list were first published in Sep 15, so there's a significant time to make sure you're "clean' by Jan 16.

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Quote: shinymcshine "If we recall Keiron Cunningham's mitigating circumstances which went along the lines of "unknowingly taken a banned substance" then perhaps this is the similar ? i.e. I have been taking this permitted substance without issue for 10yrs but since Jan its been banned and no-one told me.'"

You would assume that someone like Sharapova, at the very top of the game, has people employed to ensure she doesn't take things that are banned.

I find it hard (not impossible, but hard) to believe that an elite sportsperson, in a sport with plenty of money riding on it and where they're paid lots of money, can take something without knowing what's in it or whether that substance is banned or not. Especially in individual sport.

I have no specific knowledge in this case but I have heard (from a sports conditioner) of cases where people have been taking banned substances alongside other substances that are initially legal. They've managed to mask the banned substances but then caught out when one of the initially legal substances they're taking is made illegal because they don't know how to mask it.

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Quote: Him "You would assume that someone like Sharapova, at the very top of the game, has people employed to ensure she doesn't take things that are banned. '"


I think the smart money goes on her having people to ensure she doesn't get caught.

We're not in the amateur game any more. She's a fully professional athlete. It stands to reason she and every other fully professional athlete will seek to exploit all possible avenues of advantage - legal or not. She would be UN-professional not to. If people didn't want this kind of thing cropping up in sport they should never have agreed to the introduction of professionalism.

I mean, I've yet to hear a single person argue the difference between performance-enhancing and non-performance-enhancing drugs without sounding ridiculous.

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Halifax
v
Wakefield
15:00
Widnes
v
Sheffield
15:00
York
v
Batley
       League One 2024-R21
15:00
Keighley
v
Hunslet
15:00
Rochdale
v
Crusaders
15:00
Workington
v
Newcastle
 Thu 29th Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
10:50
NQL Cowboys
v
Melbourne
 Fri 30th Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
09:00
Canterbury
v
Manly
11:00
Penrith
v
Souths
       Championship 2024-R24
19:30
Bradford
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
20:00
Hull KR
v
Salford
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
 Sat 31st Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
06:00
Parramatta
v
St.George
08:30
Dolphins
v
Brisbane
10:35
Cronulla
v
NZ Warriors
       League One 2024-R22
14:00
Midlands
v
Hunslet
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
       Championship 2024-R24
17:00
Toulouse
v
Sheffield
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
20:00
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 1st Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
05:00
Newcastle
v
Gold Coast
07:05
Sydney
v
Canberra
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
12:00
LeedsW
v
York V
12:00
WiganW
v
Wire W
14:00
Hudds W
v
St.HelensW
       League One 2024-R22
14:30
Crusaders
v
Cornwall
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
15:00
LondonB
v
Leeds
       Championship 2024-R24
15:00
Batley
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
Halifax
15:00
Featherstone
v
Barrow
15:00
Swinton
v
Wakefield
15:00
Whitehaven
v
York
       League One 2024-R22
15:00
Oldham
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Keighley
 Thu 5th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
10:50
Brisbane
v
Melbourne
 Fri 6th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
09:00
Wests
v
Parramatta
11:00
Souths
v
Sydney
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
17:15
Wire W
v
St.HelensW
17:30
LeedsW
v
FeatherstoneW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
20:00
Castleford
v
Leigh
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Wigan
v
Hull KR
 Sat 7th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
06:00
St.George
v
Canberra
08:30
Canterbury
v
NQL Cowboys
10:35
Penrith
v
Gold Coast
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
BarrowW
v
Hudds W
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Barrow
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
18:00
Salford
v
Catalans
 Sun 8th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
05:00
Manly
v
Cronulla
07:05
Newcastle
v
Dolphins
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
WiganW
v
York V
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
15:00
Huddersfield
v
LondonB
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Halifax
v
Dewsbury
15:00
Sheffield
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Featherstone
15:00
Wakefield
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Widnes
v
York
 Fri 13th Sep 2024
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull KR
20:00
St.Helens
v
Castleford
20:00
Wigan
v
Leeds
 Sat 14th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
York V
14:00
St.HelensW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Hull FC
v
Salford
       Championship 2024-R26
15:00
Barrow
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Bradford
v
Batley
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Swinton
15:00
Doncaster
v
Widnes
15:00
Featherstone
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
York
17:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Catalans
v
LondonB
 Sun 15th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
12:00
WiganW
v
LeedsW
14:00
Hudds W
v
Wire W
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
 Fri 20th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
19:30
Sheffield
v
York
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull FC
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull KR
v
Leeds
20:00
Leigh
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
LondonB
20:00
Wigan
v
Salford
 Sat 21st Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
18:00
Featherstone
v
Dewsbury
18:00
Widnes
v
Toulouse
19:30
Wakefield
v
Barrow
 Sun 22nd Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
15:00
Batley
v
Swinton
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Doncaster
 Sat 28th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
 Sun 29th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Halifax
15:00
York
v
Featherstone
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov 2024
     Womens Internationals 2024-R2
12:00
ENGLAND W
v
WALES W
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
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Sat 3rd Aug
SL
15:00
Hull FC-St.Helens
SL
17:30
Salford-Leeds
Sun 4th Aug
SL
15:00
LondonB-Catalans
Thu 8th Aug
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Salford
Fri 9th Aug
SL
20:00
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SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
Sat 10th Aug
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wigan
Sun 11th Aug
SL
15:00
Leigh-Hull FC
SL
15:00
LondonB-Warrington
Sat 17th Aug
SL
19:30
Warrington-Leeds
SL
17:00
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
14:30
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:30
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:00
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:30
Huddersfield-Castleford
Fri 23rd Aug
SL
20:00
Castleford-Warrington
SL
20:00
Leeds-Catalans
Sat 24th Aug
SL
15:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
SL
14:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Sun 25th Aug
SL
15:00
LondonB-Leigh
Fri 2nd Aug
SL 20 Warrington4-22Hull KR
NRL 22 NZ Warriors20-30Parramatta
NRL 22 Dolphins34-40Sydney
Thu 1st Aug
SL 20 Castleford10-20Leigh
SL 20 Wigan26-14Huddersfield
NRL 22 Wests30-48NQL Cowboys
Sun 28th Jul
NRL 21 St.George10-46Penrith
NRL 21 Dolphins14-21Gold Coast
NRL 21 Canberra32-12Souths
CH 19 Batley16-22Halifax
CH 19 Doncaster37-30Barrow
CH 19 Sheffield78-24Whitehaven
CH 19 Wakefield46-18Featherstone
CH 19 Widnes25-6Bradford
CH 19 York34-4Swinton
L1 17 Newcastle34-44Cornwall
L1 17 Hunslet24-32Workington
L1 17 Keighley36-12Midlands
L1 17 Rochdale10-14Oldham
Sat 27th Jul
SL 19 Salford30-22Castleford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Hull KR 20 503 259 244 30
Wigan 19 495 258 237 30
Warrington 20 502 267 235 28
Catalans 19 366 274 92 24
Salford 19 355 366 -11 24
St.Helens 19 455 256 199 22
 
Leeds 19 355 342 13 20
Leigh 19 392 286 106 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 19 268 566 -298 6
LondonB 19 198 725 -527 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 17 584 206 378 32
Sheffield 17 488 283 205 24
Toulouse 16 468 220 248 23
Widnes 17 410 307 103 21
Bradford 17 397 297 100 21
Doncaster 17 318 410 -92 17
 
York 18 428 345 83 16
Featherstone 17 440 359 81 16
Batley 17 284 366 -82 16
Swinton 17 342 422 -80 12
Halifax 17 318 459 -141 12
Barrow 16 255 458 -203 12
Whitehaven 17 336 556 -220 12
Dewsbury 18 224 560 -336 2
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