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| I hope that anything like that will never happen again. A dark time in history.
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| Of course it will happen again, its happened at least twice since in Bosnia (involving muslims) and in Rwanda (tribal) and the seeds of all political divide and rule have been very evident in the UK over the past five years with government ministers justifying their policies by segregating sections of society to pillorise and blame, and it works.
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| It happened under Pol Pot and aside from John Pilger no one seemed to care.
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| It's happened since, it's happening now and will happen again.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "Of course it will happen again, its happened at least twice since in Bosnia (involving muslims) and in Rwanda (tribal) and the seeds of all political divide and rule have been very evident in the UK over the past five years with government ministers justifying their policies by segregating sections of society to pillorise and blame, and it works.'"
Exactly my sentiment when listening to R4 yesterday. There was a statement about them being worried because a percentage of young people didn't know much about the Holocaust, my thought was immediately that a lot more people would know even less about Bosnia which would have happened in their lifetime. I realise it is a different scale, but with it being more recent and televised one would have thought that it would be easier to learn about.
It did get me thinking about some of the worst atrocities undertaken by man in the name of religion and came to the conclusion that most of the deaths in modern history were probably in the name of Christianity. So much for the terror that is Jihad!
Some of the stories on R4 yesterday were harrowing. I thought the story about Anne Frank's diary was interesting, plus the chap that cut the skin off his arm to hide his concentration camp number due to shame.
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| [i''Monsters exist, but they are too few in number to be truly dangerous. More dangerous are the common men, the functionaries ready to believe and to act without asking questions.''[/i
- Primo Levi
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| Something that struck me as particularly sad and worrying (apart from the obvious), I was watching the Ross Kemp programme last night about Ukraine and he joined up with some of the various right-wing nationalist groups that have stepped up to fight the Russians in the East of Ukraine. What I found sad was the amount of people in those groups who were proud to call themselves Nazis or subscribe to those kind of beliefs. I just find it bizarre in a country that suffered so much under the Nazis and, if IIRC, the Nazis plan was to murder approx 60% of the Ukrainian population.
In a way I can see how ultra right-wing groups that subscribe to racist policies arise here, we didn't directly suffer the horrors of the war and the holocaust. But I find it worrying that such groups can rise in a nation like Ukraine.
As an aside, with the Paris thread in mind, Kemp talked to the leader of one of the groups. This guy had a KKK quote tattooed on his chest, but also thought that the Jews ruled the world and that white people were being exterminated by Muslims.
Now it wasn't the kind of situation where you could sit this guy down and pick holes in his bizarre beliefs but quite how a fully functioning adult can come to that conclusion simply baffles me.
For the simple reason, if "the Jews" ruled the world why were they getting Muslims to take over the world, and what benefit to "the Jews" is Russia invading Ukraine?
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| Quote: Him "Something that struck me as particularly sad and worrying (apart from the obvious), I was watching the Ross Kemp programme last night about Ukraine and he joined up with some of the various right-wing nationalist groups that have stepped up to fight the Russians in the East of Ukraine. What I found sad was the amount of people in those groups who were proud to call themselves Nazis or subscribe to those kind of beliefs. I just find it bizarre in a country that suffered so much under the Nazis and, if IIRC, the Nazis plan was to murder approx 60% of the Ukrainian population.
In a way I can see how ultra right-wing groups that subscribe to racist policies arise here, we didn't directly suffer the horrors of the war and the holocaust. But I find it worrying that such groups can rise in a nation like Ukraine.
As an aside, with the Paris thread in mind, Kemp talked to the leader of one of the groups. This guy had a KKK quote tattooed on his chest, but also thought that the Jews ruled the world and that white people were being exterminated by Muslims.
Now it wasn't the kind of situation where you could sit this guy down and pick holes in his bizarre beliefs but quite how a fully functioning adult can come to that conclusion simply baffles me.
For the simple reason, if "the Jews" ruled the world why were they getting Muslims to take over the world, and what benefit to "the Jews" is Russia invading Ukraine?'"
You don't have to go as far as Ukraine to find similar idiots and their vile views.
I've got one living quite close to me, just google Joshua Bonehill-Paine, he even had the opportunity to spout his views on Nicky Campbell's show on 5 Live yesterday.
While you're at it, take a look at some of the twitterati claiming genophilia and fearful that they are subject to white genocide. The genophiles particularly don't appreciate it when you point out that loving your own race does not mean you must hate all other races. That's not genophilia, that's racism, pure and simple
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| Judging by recent threads there's probably a few RLFannies who would insist vehemently the whole thing was a hoax.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "....and the seeds of all political divide and rule have been very evident in the UK over the past five years with government ministers justifying their policies by segregating sections of society to pillorise and blame, and it works.'"
Lol yes because even if that did happen it would be totally comparable to the Holocaust.
Seriously.....wtf.
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| Quote: Ajw71 "Lol yes because even if that did happen it would be totally comparable to the Holocaust.
You really are exceptionally stupid
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| Quote: cod'ead "You really are exceptionally stupid'"
Can we have a Twitter hashtag to go with that....y'know make yourself sound all 'cool' amongst your extreme lefty mates.
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| Quote: Ajw71 "Can we have a Twitter hashtag to go with that....y'know make yourself sound all 'cool' amongst your extreme lefty mates.'"
No need, it was a simple irrefutable statement
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| Quote: Ajw71 "Lol yes because even if that did happen it would be totally comparable to the Holocaust.
I didn't compare it to the holocaust, you just did though.
Read a bit of 1930s history and the rise of the Nazi party and note the similarities between the divide/rule ethos and playing the "point the finger of blame at an unrelated group" game played then and now with a compliant media.
As Iris Dement sang,
"Living in the wasteland of the free
where the poor now become the enemy
Let's blame our troubles on the weak
That sounds like some kind of Hitler remedy"
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| Some gems from the intellectual heavyweight 'Cod'ed' - who can compete with such intelligent concise arguments?
January 20: "Anyone who supports or intends voting for @UKIP or @Conservatives, I'll call you out now. You are all uncaring, evil sociopaths. F**k off"
January 19: "Useless fat c**t @EricPickles send a stupid letter to heads of mosques and wonders why they also think he's a useless fat c**t"
January 9: "Boko Haram slaughter 2000 in northern Nigeria, hardly a word on mainstream media. 'spose they were just a bunch of j****e b*****s eh?"
December 11: "No @Nigel_Farage we are not overcrowded you racist "
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