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Those in charge of social services and the police should own up to their responsibilities and do the honourable thing.

This is a disgrace, how can this go on unchecked for so long on such a huge scale?

What does it say about society that we 'apparently' place more gravitas on PC than we do protecting the well being of vulnerable young children.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Those in charge of social services and the police should own up to their responsibilities and do the honourable thing.

This is a disgrace, how can this go on unchecked for so long on such a huge scale?

What does it say about society that we 'apparently' place more gravitas on PC than we do protecting the well being of vulnerable young children.'"

Hardly confined to Rotherham, sadly. Police / LAs seem to sweep child protection issues under the carpet everywhere.

The problem here seems the racially aggravated criminality of a sexually repressed element of the 'Pakistani' "community" and the failure of the political system to uphold the law of the land fairly and equally across different ethnic groups. Seems their is a fear among politicians of both major parties of ethnic minorities rioting / violence between different ethnic groups. Politicians have created this "multi-cultural" monster and must start treating all equally. If people don't like it and choose to riot, etc then the law should deal with them forcefully.

The sooner the country faces up to its new reality and gets everyone treated as one people the better. Failure to do so will only lead to further problems down the line. Much better to get a bit of civil unrest now (if that's what happens) by dispensing justice properly rather than building a much bleaker, more violent future for Britain.

As to the Rotherham case - castrate every last one of the perpetrators (retrospective change in law needed) and long jail sentences for all senior LA officers / police officers involved in sweeping under the carpet. Start making examples.

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I did hear on the news last night about authorities not wanting to bring attention to the race of the perpetrators, or at least the pattern that shows that a large amount of wrongdoers are Asian, for fear of racist claims.

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I'll wait until a little more information is available before making any pronouncements, some of us are old enough to remember the Cleveland Child Sex Scandal and just how that panned out.

A couple of points to remember: there were few/no Asians involved with Jimmy Savile, Stuart Hall et al or the Kincora Boys' School, or Elm View Guest House.

There appears to be a disconnect between the police investigating claims of abuse and certain members of society in general

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Yet another example of Asian gangs targeting white underage girls, whilst the Authorities look the other way.

There is something rank within this community which produces both terrorists and peadophiles in such profusion. And it is long past time, for those within those communities, who are so quick to air their Politically Correct views, to acknowledge their failures to address the situation.

I would hope for a widespread condemnation from every Iman at Friday Prayers this week, and perhaps a contrite apology from Baroness Warsi wouldn't go amiss......but I'm not holding my breath.

It goes without saying, that anyone named in the Report, should not be allowed to resign, with the usual sanctimonius Mea Culpa, but sacked immediately.

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I'd like to see how she has managed to work out that there were 1,400 victims.

And seeing that police and social services are blamed for their negligence, I wonder how all the victims are going to be compensated.

But at least racist people will be allowed to feel justified in their racism and the cops can get a kicking.

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Mr Fish makes a valid point that this behaviour is not exclusive to certain groups in society. However for another poster to suggest anyone who raises this issue is a racist because it involves members of the Pakistani community is ridiculous.

Lord Jose are you suggesting we should only raise this if it involves white British individuals? Perhaps you are suggesting it didn't happen and this is smear campaign against this community?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Mr Fish makes a valid point that this behaviour is not exclusive to certain groups in society. However for another poster to suggest anyone who raises this issue is a racist because it involves members of the Pakistani community is ridiculous.

Lord Jose are you suggesting we should only raise this if it involves white British individuals? Perhaps you are suggesting it didn't happen and this is smear campaign against this community?'"


They were not my words, they were a quote from CH4 news.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Mr Fish makes a valid point that this behaviour is not exclusive to certain groups in society. However for another poster to suggest anyone who raises this issue is a racist because it involves members of the Pakistani community is ridiculous.

Lord Jose are you suggesting we should only raise this if it involves white British individuals? Perhaps you are suggesting it didn't happen and this is smear campaign against this community?'"


I said racist people will feel justified in their racism. Which they clearly will.

I think that the main reason that the police won't have acted on the suspicions is because direct accusations weren't made to the police. I'm reading the report right now and it's outlining what she thinks happened. On one case a group of social workers held a presentation where they named the men involved in operating child prostitution and the houses where it happened. But no mention is actually made of passing on this information to the police.

I'm not suggesting it didn't happen, as convictions have been secured and a child was found murdered. But I am suggesting that the numbers are massively inflated.

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I may be naive here but I would've thought that any meeting where such allegations were raised would be minuted and those minutes should be in existence. If so, they or a precis should be made publicly available

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Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "I said racist people will feel justified in their racism. Which they clearly will.

I think that the main reason that the police won't have acted on the suspicions is because direct accusations weren't made to the police. I'm reading the report right now and it's outlining what she thinks happened. On one case a group of social workers held a presentation where they named the men involved in operating child prostitution and the houses where it happened. But no mention is actually made of passing on this information to the police.

I'm not suggesting it didn't happen, as convictions have been secured and a child was found murdered. But I am suggesting that the numbers are massively inflated.'"


I disagree - nobody could happy at what has happened regardless of their view on race. I would agree with you on the numbers they do seem extraordinarily high and nicely rounded!!.

The way the police have reacted would suggest they knew all along - the question is why did they not act!! Vice is a murky world and is to policing what insolvency is to accountancy.

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Quote: "4.3 The Inquiry was given a list of 988 children known to children’s social care, or the Police. 51 were current cases and 937 historic. We read 66 case files in total.
4.4 We took a randomised sample of 19 current and 19 historic cases. In 95% of the files sampled, there was clear evidence that the child had been a victim of sexual exploitation. Only two children (5%) were at risk of being exploited rather than victims. From the random samples, we concluded that it was very probable that a high proportion of the 988 children were victims.
4.5 A further 28 case files were read. 22 were historic cases sampled from lists of suspected victims in police operations, including Central, Czar and Chard. Three were current cases brought to our attention during the course of the Inquiry, and three were historic cases of children who had been highlighted by national media. All 28 children were victims of sexual exploitation.
4.6 To help reach an overall estimate of the problem, we used reports to the Local Safeguarding Children Board (formerly the ACPC) and Council committees. We examined minutes of the Sexual Exploitation Forum and minutes of independently chaired Strategy meetings where individual children were discussed. These included inter-agency discussions about hundreds of children who had suffered, or were at serious risk of sexual exploitation. We also had access to lists, and sometimes summary descriptions, of many hundreds of children who were supported by Risky Business, individually or in group sessions.
4.7 Taking all these sources together, the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency. This includes some who were forced to witness other children being assaulted and abused.'"


So it seems that every single child considered as at risk by social services is automatically listed as a victim. And not just as a victim, but as a victim of a very small group of Pakistani taxi drivers.

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Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "So it seems that every single child considered as at risk by social services is automatically listed as a victim. And not just as a victim, but as a victim of a very small group of Pakistani taxi drivers.'"


As I said, I'll wait for more to come out before pronouncing on the subject. Somethging as potentially damaging as this should never be subject to simple extrapolation, as appears to be the case. I'm not bothered how long it takes or how much it costs but each and every single case (young person, let's not lose sight of that), should be subject to review.

It's heartening to hear the views of Muhbeen Hussain, Founder of Rotherham Muslim Youth GroupIf we do not tackle this issue properly then the EDL and other far right groups will jump on the bandwagon and use this as a way to segregate communities. We need to stand together because the vast majority of the Pakistani and Muslim community is with all the rest in Rotherham and we do not accept any type of child grooming.

We are shocked that the police and social services didn’t make prosecutions and we are even more disgusted that the council wish to use the excuse of community cohesion. There is no excuse for criminal acts like these.[/i

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Quote: cod'ead "As I said, I'll wait for more to come out before pronouncing on the subject. Somethging as potentially damaging as this should never be subject to simple extrapolation, as appears to be the case. I'm not bothered how long it takes or how much it costs but each and every single case (young person, let's not lose sight of that), should be subject to review.

It's heartening to hear the views of Muhbeen Hussain, Founder of Rotherham Muslim Youth GroupIf we do not tackle this issue properly then the EDL and other far right groups will jump on the bandwagon and use this as a way to segregate communities. We need to stand together because the vast majority of the Pakistani and Muslim community is with all the rest in Rotherham and we do not accept any type of child grooming.

We are shocked that the police and social services didn’t make prosecutions and we are even more disgusted that the council wish to use the excuse of community cohesion. There is no excuse for criminal acts like these.[/i'"


It does beg the question as to why the senior Pakistanis in the area didn't crack down on these individuals - there does seem to be a culture of self governance in some areas within this community.

I still don't understand why any mature male would be interested in such young girls? Is this just about Sadism/Domination?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "It does beg the question as to why the senior Pakistanis in the area didn't crack down on these individuals - there does seem to be a culture of self governance in some areas within this community. '"

How old are you? How many of the drug dealers in your area have you cracked down on personally of late?

How do you suggest you - or senior Pakistanis - might justify their vigilantism in police interview?

Why should senior Pakistanis have some right to be judge jury and executioner and what about the rights of those they cracked down upon, who might deny being guilty of anything, or do you believe senior Pakistanis are oracles that can divine the truth without the need for due process of law?

Quote: Sal Paradise "I still don't understand why any mature male would be interested in such young girls? ..'"

Like all perversions and illegal proclivities, it's exceedingly well-known. But "why"? Surely it is enough to understand that they are sexual perverts, as I'd assumed everyone does? any "why" is more for anyone unfortunate enough to have the job of trying to rehabilitate the perverts, but maybe that's just their personal taste, and because they can?

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     Mens Super League XXVIII-R23
15:00
LondonB
v
Leigh
15:00
Wigan
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2024-R23
15:00
Barrow
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Doncaster
v
Bradford
15:00
Halifax
v
Wakefield
15:00
Widnes
v
Sheffield
15:00
York
v
Batley
       League One 2024-R21
15:00
Keighley
v
Hunslet
15:00
Rochdale
v
Crusaders
15:00
Workington
v
Newcastle
 Thu 29th Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
10:50
NQL Cowboys
v
Melbourne
 Fri 30th Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
09:00
Canterbury
v
Manly
11:00
Penrith
v
Souths
       Championship 2024-R24
19:30
Bradford
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
20:00
Hull KR
v
Salford
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
 Sat 31st Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
06:00
Parramatta
v
St.George
08:30
Dolphins
v
Brisbane
10:35
Cronulla
v
NZ Warriors
       League One 2024-R22
14:00
Midlands
v
Hunslet
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
       Championship 2024-R24
17:00
Toulouse
v
Sheffield
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
20:00
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 1st Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
05:00
Newcastle
v
Gold Coast
07:05
Sydney
v
Canberra
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
12:00
LeedsW
v
York V
12:00
WiganW
v
Wire W
14:00
Hudds W
v
St.HelensW
       League One 2024-R22
14:30
Crusaders
v
Cornwall
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
15:00
LondonB
v
Leeds
       Championship 2024-R24
15:00
Batley
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
Halifax
15:00
Featherstone
v
Barrow
15:00
Swinton
v
Wakefield
15:00
Whitehaven
v
York
       League One 2024-R22
15:00
Oldham
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Keighley
 Thu 5th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
10:50
Brisbane
v
Melbourne
 Fri 6th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
09:00
Wests
v
Parramatta
11:00
Souths
v
Sydney
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
17:15
Wire W
v
St.HelensW
17:30
LeedsW
v
FeatherstoneW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
20:00
Castleford
v
Leigh
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Wigan
v
Hull KR
 Sat 7th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
06:00
St.George
v
Canberra
08:30
Canterbury
v
NQL Cowboys
10:35
Penrith
v
Gold Coast
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
BarrowW
v
Hudds W
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Barrow
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
18:00
Salford
v
Catalans
 Sun 8th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
05:00
Manly
v
Cronulla
07:05
Newcastle
v
Dolphins
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
WiganW
v
York V
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
15:00
Huddersfield
v
LondonB
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Halifax
v
Dewsbury
15:00
Sheffield
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Featherstone
15:00
Wakefield
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Widnes
v
York
 Fri 13th Sep 2024
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull KR
20:00
St.Helens
v
Castleford
20:00
Wigan
v
Leeds
 Sat 14th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
York V
14:00
St.HelensW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Hull FC
v
Salford
       Championship 2024-R26
15:00
Barrow
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Bradford
v
Batley
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Swinton
15:00
Doncaster
v
Widnes
15:00
Featherstone
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
York
17:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Catalans
v
LondonB
 Sun 15th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
12:00
WiganW
v
LeedsW
14:00
Hudds W
v
Wire W
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
 Fri 20th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
19:30
Sheffield
v
York
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull FC
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull KR
v
Leeds
20:00
Leigh
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
LondonB
20:00
Wigan
v
Salford
 Sat 21st Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
18:00
Featherstone
v
Dewsbury
18:00
Widnes
v
Toulouse
19:30
Wakefield
v
Barrow
 Sun 22nd Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
15:00
Batley
v
Swinton
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Doncaster
 Sat 28th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
 Sun 29th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Halifax
15:00
York
v
Featherstone
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov 2024
     Womens Internationals 2024-R2
12:00
ENGLAND W
v
WALES W
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
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Matches on TV
Thu 8th Aug
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Salford
Fri 9th Aug
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
Sat 10th Aug
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wigan
Sun 11th Aug
SL
15:00
Leigh-Hull FC
SL
15:00
LondonB-Warrington
Sat 17th Aug
SL
19:30
Warrington-Leeds
SL
17:00
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
14:30
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:30
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:00
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:30
Huddersfield-Castleford
Fri 23rd Aug
SL
20:00
Castleford-Warrington
SL
20:00
Leeds-Catalans
Sat 24th Aug
SL
15:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
SL
14:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Sun 25th Aug
SL
15:00
LondonB-Leigh
SL
15:00
Wigan-Hull FC
Fri 30th Aug
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Warrington
Sun 4th Aug
SL 20 LondonB12-10Catalans
WSL2024 10 FeatherstoneW6-68LeedsW
WSL2024 10 BarrowW6-64St.HelensW
WSL2024 10 Wire W0-61York V
WSL2024 10 WiganW70-0Hudds W
L1 18 Keighley72-12Newcastle
L1 18 Oldham32-0Midlands
L1 18 Rochdale46-32Cornwall
L1 18 Workington24-28Crusaders
CH 20 Barrow24-24Bradford
CH 20 Dewsbury16-42Wakefield
CH 20 Featherstone24-16Batley
CH 20 Halifax38-18York
CH 20 Sheffield22-20Doncaster
CH 20 Whitehaven12-24Widnes
NRL 22 Penrith22-14Newcastle
NRL 22 Canterbury22-18Canberra
Sat 3rd Aug
SL 20 Hull FC6-46St.Helens
SL 20 Salford22-16Leeds
CH 20 Swinton4-48Toulouse
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Hull KR 20 503 259 244 30
Wigan 19 495 258 237 30
Warrington 20 502 267 235 28
Salford 20 377 382 -5 26
St.Helens 20 501 262 239 24
Catalans 20 376 286 90 24
 
Leeds 20 371 364 7 20
Leigh 19 392 286 106 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 20 274 612 -338 6
LondonB 20 210 735 -525 4
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 18 626 222 404 34
Sheffield 18 510 303 207 26
Toulouse 17 516 224 292 25
Widnes 18 434 319 115 23
Bradford 18 421 321 100 22
Featherstone 18 464 375 89 18
 
Doncaster 18 338 432 -94 17
York 19 446 383 63 16
Batley 18 300 390 -90 16
Halifax 18 356 477 -121 14
Barrow 17 279 482 -203 13
Swinton 18 346 470 -124 12
Whitehaven 18 348 580 -232 12
Dewsbury 19 240 602 -362 2
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