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Is it acceptable for rlthis lotrl to black up, whilst we are left to lament the loss of the Black and White Minstrels?

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "Is it acceptable for rlthis lotrl to black up, whilst we are left to lament the loss of the Black and White Minstrels?'"


Without reading the article who are the [iwe[/i that 'lament' the loss of the Black and White Minstrels?

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"The 'Nutters' say the tradition of blacking up has little or nothing to do with race

"One theory is that it represents a pagan custom of disguising the dancers from being recognised by the evil spirits their parade is meant to ward off.

"Another is that it reflects the sooty faces of men working in the Lancashire's quarries and mines in the 19th century."

So, not quite like blacking up for a minstrel show, then.

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "Is it acceptable for rlthis lotrl to black up, whilst we are left to lament the loss of the Black and White Minstrels?'"

That would be the Black and White Mistrels who were pepetuating the N-word Minstrel thing, the happily intellectually-inferior slave singing along?
I don't see the similarity but I'm sure you can clarify.

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So, the numbers "lamenting" the demise of the B&WM seem to amount to, er... 1 ?

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The RFL should employ the dancers to face off against the NZ Haka and put fear into them on Saturday.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "So, the numbers "lamenting" the demise of the B&WM seem to amount to, er... 1 ?'"



I don't lament it, not because it perpetuated the N-minstrel stereotyping, but because it was shoite although having said that if I had a choice between the return of N-minstrel stereotyoing and programs like Geordie Shore or TOWIE, then I'd be sat in front of a mirror with the blackened end of a cork, a stripey waistcoat and a straw boater this very evening

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Quote: Mintball ""The 'Nutters' say the tradition of blacking up has little or nothing to do with race

"One theory is that it represents a pagan custom of disguising the dancers from being recognised by the evil spirits their parade is meant to ward off.

"Another is that it reflects the sooty faces of men working in the Lancashire's quarries and mines in the 19th century."

So, not quite like blacking up for a minstrel show, then.'"


"little or nothing "....."One theory".....more obfuscation than a Bradford Lawyer!

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin ""little or nothing "....."One theory".....more obfuscation than a Bradford Lawyer!'"


I'm quoting from the article that you provided a link to.

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Quote: El Barbudo "That would be the Black and White Mistrels who were pepetuating the N-word Minstrel thing, the happily intellectually-inferior slave singing along?
I don't see the similarity but I'm sure you can clarify.'"


No, that would be the award winning Black and White Minstrel Show, which was extremely popular back in the day, running for some 20 years on TV, and featuring a Vaudiville stage act of operatic trained singers performing Calypsos, Negro Spirituals, show tunes ,Country and Western, with a sprinkling of dancing and comedy.

Negro was the word you were alluding to?

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "So, the numbers "lamenting" the demise of the B&WM seem to amount to, er... 1 ?'"


With an estimated peak viewing figure of 18 million over a 20 year run, I would suggest that once again FA you are spectacularly confused.

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "With an estimated peak viewing figure of 18 million over a 20 year run, I would suggest that once again FA you are spectacularly confused.'"

And 300,000 people attended, with many millions watching on TV, the inauguration of George W Bush.

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "With an estimated peak viewing figure of 18 million over a 20 year run, I would suggest that once again FA you are spectacularly confused.'"


It would look very dated now to most of the population. It ran its course – there's no need to try and rewrite history and pretend that it wasn't popular, but tastes change, and I very much doubt that the music performed would make for high viewing figures if shown now at prime time on a Saturday evening or that many viewers would think that the blacking up was anything other, at best, an anachronism.

But given that nobody has any concrete proof of why the morris dancers in the story black up, and given that it may well not be anything whatsoever to do with race – and certainly there seem to be no suggestions that it has links to slavery etc – then it's an entirely different matter.

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "With an estimated peak viewing figure of 18 million over a 20 year run, I would suggest that once again FA you are spectacularly confused.'"

Estimated? OK...

How many of them lament the end of the show? Did you ask all of them?

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Quote: Chris28 "Estimated? OK...

How many of them lament the end of the show? Did you ask all of them?'"


It was popular – of that there should be no doubt. And I would suggest that, for many viewers, it wasn't a racist thing, but about the musical performances, which were pretty good. And I'd equally suspect that for many viewers they didn't even realise the history of minstrel shows etc.

But on the popularity, it was also an era when there were just three TV channels.

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