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Is it acceptable for rlthis lotrl to black up, whilst we are left to lament the loss of the Black and White Minstrels?

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "Is it acceptable for rlthis lotrl to black up, whilst we are left to lament the loss of the Black and White Minstrels?'"


Without reading the article who are the [iwe[/i that 'lament' the loss of the Black and White Minstrels?

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"The 'Nutters' say the tradition of blacking up has little or nothing to do with race

"One theory is that it represents a pagan custom of disguising the dancers from being recognised by the evil spirits their parade is meant to ward off.

"Another is that it reflects the sooty faces of men working in the Lancashire's quarries and mines in the 19th century."

So, not quite like blacking up for a minstrel show, then.

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "Is it acceptable for rlthis lotrl to black up, whilst we are left to lament the loss of the Black and White Minstrels?'"

That would be the Black and White Mistrels who were pepetuating the N-word Minstrel thing, the happily intellectually-inferior slave singing along?
I don't see the similarity but I'm sure you can clarify.

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So, the numbers "lamenting" the demise of the B&WM seem to amount to, er... 1 ?

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The RFL should employ the dancers to face off against the NZ Haka and put fear into them on Saturday.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "So, the numbers "lamenting" the demise of the B&WM seem to amount to, er... 1 ?'"



I don't lament it, not because it perpetuated the N-minstrel stereotyping, but because it was shoite although having said that if I had a choice between the return of N-minstrel stereotyoing and programs like Geordie Shore or TOWIE, then I'd be sat in front of a mirror with the blackened end of a cork, a stripey waistcoat and a straw boater this very evening

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Quote: Mintball ""The 'Nutters' say the tradition of blacking up has little or nothing to do with race

"One theory is that it represents a pagan custom of disguising the dancers from being recognised by the evil spirits their parade is meant to ward off.

"Another is that it reflects the sooty faces of men working in the Lancashire's quarries and mines in the 19th century."

So, not quite like blacking up for a minstrel show, then.'"


"little or nothing "....."One theory".....more obfuscation than a Bradford Lawyer!

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin ""little or nothing "....."One theory".....more obfuscation than a Bradford Lawyer!'"


I'm quoting from the article that you provided a link to.

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Quote: El Barbudo "That would be the Black and White Mistrels who were pepetuating the N-word Minstrel thing, the happily intellectually-inferior slave singing along?
I don't see the similarity but I'm sure you can clarify.'"


No, that would be the award winning Black and White Minstrel Show, which was extremely popular back in the day, running for some 20 years on TV, and featuring a Vaudiville stage act of operatic trained singers performing Calypsos, Negro Spirituals, show tunes ,Country and Western, with a sprinkling of dancing and comedy.

Negro was the word you were alluding to?

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "So, the numbers "lamenting" the demise of the B&WM seem to amount to, er... 1 ?'"


With an estimated peak viewing figure of 18 million over a 20 year run, I would suggest that once again FA you are spectacularly confused.

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "With an estimated peak viewing figure of 18 million over a 20 year run, I would suggest that once again FA you are spectacularly confused.'"

And 300,000 people attended, with many millions watching on TV, the inauguration of George W Bush.

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "With an estimated peak viewing figure of 18 million over a 20 year run, I would suggest that once again FA you are spectacularly confused.'"


It would look very dated now to most of the population. It ran its course – there's no need to try and rewrite history and pretend that it wasn't popular, but tastes change, and I very much doubt that the music performed would make for high viewing figures if shown now at prime time on a Saturday evening or that many viewers would think that the blacking up was anything other, at best, an anachronism.

But given that nobody has any concrete proof of why the morris dancers in the story black up, and given that it may well not be anything whatsoever to do with race – and certainly there seem to be no suggestions that it has links to slavery etc – then it's an entirely different matter.

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin "With an estimated peak viewing figure of 18 million over a 20 year run, I would suggest that once again FA you are spectacularly confused.'"

Estimated? OK...

How many of them lament the end of the show? Did you ask all of them?

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Quote: Chris28 "Estimated? OK...

How many of them lament the end of the show? Did you ask all of them?'"


It was popular – of that there should be no doubt. And I would suggest that, for many viewers, it wasn't a racist thing, but about the musical performances, which were pretty good. And I'd equally suspect that for many viewers they didn't even realise the history of minstrel shows etc.

But on the popularity, it was also an era when there were just three TV channels.

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20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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