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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... onomy.html

Let's see ...

Prior to the election, (similar to Labour) he took the view that the Tories would be cutting too far, too soon.
After the election and having been offered the deputy PM job and after a little 20 minute chat with Mervyn King (who hadn't seen anything coming in the banking area), he had a Damascene conversion to the Tory view.

Now he's having second (or should that be third?) thoughts.

If only he had looked at The Sin Bin occasionally, he'd have realised that cutting too harshly would dent GDP badly.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... onomy.html

Let's see ...

Prior to the election, (similar to Labour) he took the view that the Tories would be cutting too far, too soon.
After the election and having been offered the deputy PM job and after a little 20 minute chat with Mervyn King (who hadn't seen anything coming in the banking area), he had a Damascene conversion to the Tory view.

Now he's having second (or should that be third?) thoughts.

If only he had looked at The Sin Bin occasionally, he'd have realised that cutting too harshly would dent GDP badly.


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Its fairly obvious to everyone now that most of the people currently in politics and/or banking/investment/finance have university degrees in politics/banking/investment/finance and have assmued some years ago that the text books and theories that they read at their universities were all that was required to run the world.

It fairly obvious to anyone by now who has any form of savings that doesn't just pay out a fixed percentage in interest (ie an old fashioned savings account) that the whole "investment" industry is based on sleight of hand, smoke and mirrors, and hidden weights and springs - and complete guesswork of course.

The shame of it is (and its their shame not ours) is that politicians look us straight in the eyes every four or five years and promise us that they have a fix to everything, that they know what they are doing and that its none of their fault when it all goes wrong - and we are all dumb enough to believe them.

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So GDP is down and we are going to have a triple dip.
Can anyone the but idiot's in charge or those that have swallowed all their spin be in the slightest bit suprised?

Cutting the manure out of a struggling economy will result in 1 thing and it isn't a reduction in deficit. d040.gif

Oh and before the Tory boys start some of us (And Labour) said this would happen right from the start.

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defecit is down 25% and we're not in a triple dip, but crack on idiots.

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Quote: Standee "defecit is down 25% and we're not in a triple dip, but crack on idiots.'"


So you're confident that Q1 2013 will show positive growth figures are you? If it doesn't, then we are officially in a triple dip.

As it stands, we're more than likely in one but waiting for it to be confirmed.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "So you're confident that Q1 2013 will show positive growth figures are you? If it doesn't, then we are officially in a triple dip.

As it stands, we're more than likely in one but waiting for it to be confirmed.'"



As this article says, the figures are meaningless. The economy is not in great shape though.

www.cityam.com/latest-news/allis ... ucket-salt
Quote: Andy Gilder "So you're confident that Q1 2013 will show positive growth figures are you? If it doesn't, then we are officially in a triple dip.

As it stands, we're more than likely in one but waiting for it to be confirmed.'"



As this article says, the figures are meaningless. The economy is not in great shape though.

www.cityam.com/latest-news/allis ... ucket-salt


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Quote: Standee "defecit is down 25% and we're not in a triple dip, but crack on idiots.'"
It all depends on the numbers used.
Using the current budget instead for the figures it actually comes out at around 9%
fullfact.org/factchecks/budget_d ... rter-28563
With regard to the triple dip even a blind man can see where we are headed.
So if you want top keep burying your head and being delusional go for it you Tory idiot.
Quote: Standee "defecit is down 25% and we're not in a triple dip, but crack on idiots.'"
It all depends on the numbers used.
Using the current budget instead for the figures it actually comes out at around 9%
fullfact.org/factchecks/budget_d ... rter-28563
With regard to the triple dip even a blind man can see where we are headed.
So if you want top keep burying your head and being delusional go for it you Tory idiot.


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Quote: Andy Gilder "So you're confident that Q1 2013 will show positive growth figures are you? If it doesn't, then we are officially in a triple dip.

As it stands, we're more than likely in one but waiting for it to be confirmed.'"


Im confident the same old stagers will blame everyone but Labour for the circumstances in which we live, and they'll want peole with some money to support the work shy and feckless.

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Quote: Standee "Im confident the same old stagers will blame everyone but Labour for the circumstances in which we live, and they'll want peole with some money to support the work shy and feckless.'"
And I'm confident the the same old clueless out of touch posters (This is where you come in) will fail to see what is smacking them in the face.

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The crux of the matter was in the article Dally linked to
"It is clear that the UK is performing poorly, with real wages falling, retail sales stagnating and the budget deficit increasing again."

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Quote: Standee "defecit is down 25% and we're not in a triple dip, but crack on idiots.'"


It is? How when we are borrowing more than ever?

I'd wait for the first period of 2013 to be so sure we are not in a triple dip.

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Quote: Standee "Im confident the same old stagers will blame everyone but Labour for the circumstances in which we live, and they'll want peole with some money to support the work shy and feckless.'"


And yet again, you'll be able to show that there are decent jobs for everyone who is unemployed. The unemployment are a myth – and have been for 20-30 years.

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Quote: Standee "Im confident the same old stagers will blame everyone but Labour for the circumstances in which we live, and they'll want peole with some money to support the work shy and feckless.'"

I was once unemployed and it was a dismal period of my life ... I felt useless, impotent, frustrated, unwanted, stupid, cast aside and outdated ... until I got back into work.

But, whilst I was unemployed, the likes of you would have added "workshy and feckless" to my list of attributes.

Well done for understanding.

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Quote: El Barbudo "I was once unemployed and it was a dismal period of my life ... I felt useless, impotent, frustrated, unwanted, stupid, cast aside and outdated ... until I got back into work.

But, whilst I was unemployed, the likes of you would have added "workshy and feckless" to my list of attributes.

Well done for understanding.'"


I've been unemployed too – and it's soul-destroying.

I've also worked for pennies in a tea shop. And for £60 a week, managing a shop, taking orders, dealing with customers, looking after the float at my own home, locking and opening up etc. I lost my home as a result.

I left the place that I lived in, where I had all my friends, and moved south to start all over again. I've slogged around streets selling things to people in their offices, sometimes barely taking enough home to cover my transport into London from where I was living in Reading with my parents – itself far from a pleasurable experience in my mid twenties.

I've actually been accepted for a job – and then find someone higher up has withdrawn the offer. I've lost a job on the basis of not being good at something that I was not interviewed and employed to be good at.

I've sat at home and tried to write and sell stuff, when I couldn't be out actually trying to get work, more than once to be told that I was 'over-qualified'.

People who fall for the idea that the unemployed are, per se, workshy, are, at the very best, incredibly naive.

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George Osborne couldn't run a tap properly and this doofus is the Chancellor ? He's a joke like the rest of them in the Coalition.

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Goole V
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Swinton
14:30
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Rochdale
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15:00
Warrington
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Castleford
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15:00
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Keighley
15:00
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Dewsbury
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19:00
Dewsbury
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Goole V
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20:00
Hull FC
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Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
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Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
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Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
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Crusaders
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Keighley
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Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
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Workington
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Whitehaven
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Cornwall
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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