Have you all rallied behind Red Ed after his inspirational speech yesterday?

Where is this One Nation based - is it fantasyland? Every 4 or 5 years wannabee PMs tell us how they have a golden vision for Britain and how they'll improve things and their very existence in politics is because of their destiny to lead us to a brighter future . So, if they were all competent and / or truthful then why over my life-time has Britain not arrived in Utopia? Maybe this One Nation is not based here but is a bunch of ex-pats in Fantasyland?

I would have thought you, above all others on here, would know directions to fantasyland.

It's utter nonsense. There seems to be a massive swing in popularity towards Labour in the press. His speech was carefully rehed but I fail to see how anyone can say it was 'brilliant' as most papers coined it today. His voice still makes me want to punch him and I don't trust him at all.

It was refreshing to hear him admit Labour's mismanagement of social benefits and spending caused the financial calamity the new Government found themselves in and ironic to hear him shovelling out Conservative catch phrases. But there were no policy revelations in his speech at all, nothing to get behind as a voter.

I suspect Labour have already won the next election, even if they didn't do anything from now till then, such is the wave of negative press about the coalition. I suspect the majority of papers and news channels would have praised the speech if he just walked on stage and stammered about Bananarama for an hour.

They're all as corrupt as each other.

Maybe the Queen should get off her ass and run the show?

Have you actually read it?



Where does he mention that in his speech? Why would he when it is nonsense anyway? He does make reference to the global financial crisis being a reason why people may have voted Tory so I don't think you have read it or heard it.

Here you gohttps://labourlist.org/2012/10/ed-milibands-conference-speech-the-transcript/rl

As to hijacking the one-nation catch phrase that is quite smart given the blatantly divisive policies of this government. It is just a way of highlighting that and saying Labour opposes such policies without blathering on like Michael Foot (clever man, poor politically). Whether people believe he can deliver that will be determined between now and the next election.



There were actually several and this one doesn't chime with you then?

"So let me be clear, let me be clear, the next Labour government will end the free market experiment (in the NHS), it will put the right principles back at the heart of the NHS and it will repeal the NHS Bill."



If there is a wave of negative press perhaps it is down to the fact EM wasn't wrong when he also said this:

"But there is one thing that this Government might have claimed to be good at, and that is competence. Because after all, they think they’re born to rule. So maybe they’d be good at it. Have you ever seen a more incompetent, hopeless, out of touch, u-turning, pledge-breaking, make it up as you go along, back of the envelope, miserable shower than this Prime Minister and this Government?"

And I don't think things like this help the governments standing either:

"And now what do we have. We have the Minister for Murdoch becoming the Minister for the National Health Service. We have an International Development Secretary; she says she doesn’t believe in international development. And get this, we’ve got a Party Chairman who writes books about how to beat the recession, under a false name. Really, I’m not making this up; I’m really not making this up. I mean I have to say if I was Chairman of the Conservative Party, I’d have a false name too."

The coalition gives the press all the ammunition they need.

They bring it on themselves. I got a Lib Dem propaganda leaftlet through the door yesterday telling me that our local park will now not have street lighting installed because our Labour Council have withdrawn the funding because they (Local Government) have made spending cuts!!! Would this be the Labour Council that have had their money reduced from central government, the Coalition by any chance???? Do they think I fell off a Christmas Tree?? Desperation propaganda from a desperate party.

And it woz Gordon and Tony wot caused the global financial crisis wiv all their spending on diversity officers ...

.... along with their wars and their licking of bankers bottoms.

The wars that the Tories supported and the licking of bankers bums that the Tories encouraged and demanded more of?

Quote: Saddened! "It's utter nonsense. There seems to be a massive swing in popularity towards Labour in the press. His speech was carefully rehed but I fail to see how anyone can say it was 'brilliant' as most papers coined it today. His voice still makes me want to punch him and I don't trust him at all.'" www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U5dgP1FXX8

Quote: Saddened! "It's utter nonsense. There seems to be a massive swing in popularity towards Labour in the press. His speech was carefully rehed but I fail to see how anyone can say it was 'brilliant' as most papers coined it today. His voice still makes me want to punch him and I don't trust him at all.'" www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U5dgP1FXX8

So it was not The Sun wot dun it, it was the Tories!!!

And those economic policies were the ones set in motion by the Conservatives.

It's quite funny, really, to see neo-liberal apologists falling over themselves to blame Labour for things that they hailed when Maggie started them.

Even funnier, nay sinister, that people use such warped logic to excuse Labour from "blame" for anything.

Let's make it simple "The Tories" are not the reason for Labour's ineptitude and disregard for income equality. That's down to the Labour party and the idiots who keep voting for a party that does not represent them and has utter contempt for them - picking their pockets to fund themselves.

Au contraire.

There is no 'excusing'.

I blame Labour for many things – for instance, for effectively paving the way for the privatisation of the NHS. But it is a simple fact that such things were continuations of the economic ideology unleashed on the UK in the 1980s.

The Labour Party were (and, by and large, remain) merely Tory Lite.

Unfortunately, given the general state of UK politics, there is a singular lack of plausible alternative parties currently around to vote for.

You think people excuse Labour for such things? Plus nice swerve to shift it from the banking sector to income equality.
The Tories have to take their fair share of the blame too though. For setting those policies in motion and for not opposing such policies, even demanding those policies are taken further when they were in Opposition. Maybe if there had been an effective Opposition Labour might have thought twice.
The Labour Party is the one out of the 3 main parties who is by far the closest to representing normal working class people. It's not what I'd want it to be but it's the closest out of the 3. Anyone who thinks a major national political party is going to co-incide with 100% of their views is in "fantasyland".