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I can see the point of boundary signs telling you that you have reached the village, town or city to which you were headed but I seem to be missing something ... what is the point (if there is one) of signs telling you the name of the local authority that administers that area?

On the A646 from Burnley to Todmorden, there is a patch where, in the space of maybe 50 metres, you pass a sign telling you are in West Yorkshire (which was actually abolished as a Metropolitan County in 1986 but there still seems to be a budget somewhere for useless road signs like this one which looks pretty new-ish), then one saying you are in Calderdale (the local Unitary authority), then one saying you are in Todmorden (which you are not, the town is some miles away and you have actually just entered the local non-county Borough which is also called Todmorden) ... and then one telling you that you are in Portsmouth (the name of the actual village, a fact you maybe did need to know).

I have seen similar excess signage in many and various parts of the UK and I wonder a) what use it all is and b) how much money is wasted on this ugly junk.

Many councils are now rationalising their directional and restrictional traffic signs and are making their towns and villages look much better and, in some cases, safer ... for me it's also time to ditch most of the useless boundary signs.

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Please don't extend your campaign to include the old milestones and "horse mount" mileage indicators that still exist around these parts icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: JerryChicken "Please don't extend your campaign to include the old milestones and "horse mount" mileage indicators that still exist around these parts I regard those in the same way as ancient monuments and they should have protected status (indeed, many are).

I met a guy on a hilltop who was having his sandwich next to a (nowadays disused) Ordnance Survey Triangulation station.
His job was painting and sometimes repairing them as the Ordnance Survey had given them all away to whoever wanted to maintain them.
He was employed by either Calderdale or some other authority and milestones also came under his remit.
In his rucksack he carried his paint, brushes, cleaner, water and concrete etc.

I went through one of those "I want his job" moments.

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The signs should read "You're in Yorkshire, abandon all hope"

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Quote: Big Graeme "The signs should read "You're in Yorkshire, abandon all hope"'"

We have other tried and tested ways of deterring Southerners and Lancastrians ... it's called attitude.
And we are always right.

It works better than any signage but the occasional innocent does slip through.
We pity them because we are compassionate.
But still right.

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Anyway, back to boundary signs ... on the same stretch of A646 but going towards Burnley (not recommended) you pass a similar plethora of signs about Lancashire, Burnley and, get this, the "Parish of Cliviger" ... wtf?

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Quote: El Barbudo "what is the point (if there is one) of signs telling you the name of the local authority that administers that area?'"

Self-aggrandisement, justification of the existence of the local authority in question and, dare I use the dread word, branding.

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Quote: John_D "Self-aggrandisement, justification of the existence of the local authority in question and, dare I use the dread word, branding.'"

Thanks John, you've put my mind at rest.
At least it's worth it then.

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Quote: El Barbudo "Thanks John, you've put my mind at rest.
At least it's worth it then.'"

Someone, somewhere, will have told the authority that sticking a logo on everything will communicate the synergy of brand <council name> to the people and blah blah blah kill me now. All at a reasonable cost, I feel sure.

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Quote: John_D "Someone, somewhere, will have told the authority that sticking a logo on everything will communicate the synergy of brand <council name> to the people and blah blah blah kill me now. All at a reasonable cost, I feel sure.'"


It works in reverse when entering the Bradford Met region of course where they try not to advertise the fact, the only time you know that you're not in Bradford is after you've left it on the ring road and suddenly you see a big sign informing you that you're now in Leeds and people will probably stop pointing at your car now.

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Quote: John_D "Someone, somewhere, will have told the authority that sticking a logo on everything will communicate the synergy of brand <council name> to the people and blah blah blah kill me now. All at a reasonable cost, I feel sure.'"

Like the campaign a few years back to put pink signs randomly all over Salford that said "IN Salford".

IIRC the RFL hired the idiot whose idea that was ... AFTER he'd done it.

A bit like those teams who take a map of a town and divide up the town centre area, shading nice coloured shapes onto it and calling them "quarters", like "Theatre Quarter" because that's where the (sometimes only) theatre is and "Civic Quarter" because that's where the Town Hall is ... these are then renamed again and colour-coded as TQ or CQ, so that they can erect coloured signs to tell you the route to TQ and CQ (regardless of whether you can park there) ... because, obviously, you'd need to know, even though they were vacuous and feckin meaningless.
Halifax and Wakefield come to mind but there will be many more, I think Bradford were thinking about it but just knocked the town centre down instead.

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It's not just councils.

Our housing association suddenly decided to put new signs on our block with the name of the block on and the name of the housing association on. These are next to the two back entrances. Which are only entered via a gated carpark.

Still, at least we now know the name of the block in which we live and the name of the company that can't be bothered to hire gardeners who do anything.

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Quote: El Barbudo "I think Bradford were thinking about it but just knocked the town centre down instead.'"


Now known as the Desolate Quarter (DQ on signs).

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Quote: Mintball "It's not just councils.

Our housing association suddenly decided to put new signs on our block with the name of the block on and the name of the housing association on. These are next to the two back entrances. Which are only entered via a gated carpark.

Still, at least we now know the name of the block in which we live and the name of the company that can't be bothered to hire gardeners who do anything.'"


Oh don't ... onto another of my bugbears.

In the lovely town of Hebden Bridge, the Visitor and Canal Centre had a lovely sign painted on one side, all beautifully-done in large writing, narrow-boat style, proclaiming it as, erm, the Hebden Bridge Visitor and Canal centre.
All well and good, yes?
So, along comes the council who nail a municipal-looking plastic sign to the existing lovely sign.
What did it say? ... "Hebden Bridge Visitor and Canal Centre".

The narrow-boat-writing sign has since been repainted as a mural (not as nice, but hey, not bad) but it still says Hebden Bridge Visitor and Canal Centre ... and the municipal sign was removed.
So, along comes the council again who nail the same type of municipal-looking plastic sign to the mural.
What did it say this time? ... "Hebden Bridge Visitor and Canal Centre".

The Picture House (a 1920's period gem, listed grade II) has its original carved-in-stone title PICTURE HOUSE high up and two flutteringly attractive banners alongside the lovely wood-and-glass entrance doors, both of which simply say PICTURE HOUSE.
It has the usual glass cases outside advertising whats-on and whats-coming-soon.
No mistaking what this building is.
So, along comes the council who nail a municipal-looking plastic sign to the building which says "Hebden Bridge Picture House".

What kind of morons do we employ?

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At least the signs in Hebden Bridge do not (or did not when I was last there) have a large sponsor name. I remember ones around Sheffield that advertised a company but you had to squint to see it was Sheffield you were entering (and not blundering into Rotherham or Barnsley).

Oh, the colour for Salford is cerise: the street cleaning vans are a very amazing sight but not as good as maps showing parks in ... cerise.

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     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
14:30
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Leeds
17:30
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Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
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 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
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 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
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