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| Although any sport doesnt matter in the wake of any kind of health scare, it would appear that fully controlling the outbreak of the coronavirus hasn't been possible and that there are now cases in most countries accross the planet, with differing responses from country to country.
We've already seen Italian Football cancelling games, to try and restrict the spread of the virus and you wonder whether similar steps will need to be taken in other sports and even perhaps in RL ?
This certainly doesn't look like its going to go away any time soon and the question is whether it will impact on our sport, especially the games in France and Toronto ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Although any sport doesnt matter in the wake of any kind of health scare, it would appear that fully controlling the outbreak of the coronavirus hasn't been possible and that there are now cases in most countries accross the planet, with differing responses from country to country.
We've already seen Italian Football cancelling games, to try and restrict the spread of the virus and you wonder whether similar steps will need to be taken in other sports and even perhaps in RL ?
This certainly doesn't look like its going to go away any time soon and the question is whether it will impact on our sport, especially the games in France and Toronto ?'"
Why have you singled out France and Toronto out of curiosity?
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| Quote: Exiled down south "Why have you singled out France and Toronto out of curiosity?'"
I would imagine it's because they're the only places where overseas games are currently played in the Super League and the Championship? Unless you know of any others? Obviously this works the other way, too.
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| Quote: Exiled down south "Why have you singled out France and Toronto out of curiosity?'"
Numbers of people travelling in close proximity, with air travel and recycled air, being hot beds for spreading virus's.
The same could happen on trains/ public transport in the UK but, with the Virus already closing in on the Eastern French border, there would be potentially more risk.
Certainly, at this point in time, travel from country to country carries more risk than domestic travel.
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| Never mind the sport . I work in an office and the woman I sit next too her son has just come back from Italy skiiing with the school and his friends are being tested for Coronavirus. ! I don’t qualify for sick pay. 14 days isolation you’re having a laugh !
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Never mind the sport . I work in an office and the woman I sit next too her son has just come back from Italy skiiing with the school and his friends are being tested for Coronavirus. ! I don’t qualify for sick pay. 14 days isolation you’re having a laugh !'"
That's very harsh. I take it that you cant "work from home" ?
I think there is a strong chance that many countries and cities, especially those in the tourist industry, will be keeping a lid any outbreaks of the virus, which will hasten it's spread.
Plenty are taking it very seriously but, others less so.
It seems odd that may are being advised to self isolate when coming back from certain places and yet, there is no restriction on travel to these destinations, which just seems crazy.
Hope that you any your work mates are all ok and of course the kids who have returned from their trip.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "That's very harsh. I take it that you cant "work from home" ?
I think there is a strong chance that many countries and cities, especially those in the tourist industry, will be keeping a lid any outbreaks of the virus, which will hasten it's spread.
Plenty are taking it very seriously but, others less so.
It seems odd that may are being advised to self isolate when coming back from certain places and yet, there is no restriction on travel to these destinations, which just seems crazy.
Hope that you any your work mates are all ok and of course the kids who have returned from their trip.'"
Everyone ok afaik. But it does seem as if some of the advice is laughable . Lots of talk about if you have symptoms self isolate but from what I know apparently you can be infection and spreading it for 10 days before symptoms show . Which means that as you pollinated out the government advice seems somewhat illogical
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Everyone ok afaik. But it does seem as if some of the advice is laughable . Lots of talk about if you have symptoms self isolate but from what I know apparently you can be infection and spreading it for 10 days before symptoms show . Which means that as you pollinated out the government advice seems somewhat illogical'"
I agree and surely if there are "at risk" areas, there should be strong advice not to visit.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Everyone ok afaik. But it does seem as if some of the advice is laughable . Lots of talk about if you have symptoms self isolate but from what I know apparently you can be infection and spreading it for 10 days before symptoms show . Which means that as you pollinated out the government advice seems somewhat illogical'"
Well yes, because it would make perfect sense to carry spreading the virus once you display symptoms. Crack on, screw everyone else.
The advice is to self quarantine if you've been to an infected area or display symptoms. Yes, you may have already unwittingly spread the virus, that's just common sense. But to carry on spreading it regardless is just idiotic.
One of my colleagues was also in northern Italy last week and now has 2 weeks at home to look forward to. The support from NHS-111 and Public Health England had been superb. They've been in regular contact, including through the night.
TBH it's likely the horse has bolted in many countries and things have escalated this week, but minimising the spread is still important. With an estimated mortality rate of 2-3% it's worth us all doing our bit.
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| Quote: Cronus "Well yes, because it would make perfect sense to carry spreading the virus once you display symptoms. Crack on, screw everyone else.
It does seem strange not to prevent travel to some of the more stricken areas but to then quarantine people when they arrive back here.
Although there would be uproar if people couldn't take their holidays etc, surely this would be a more effective method of restricting the virus.
I well aware of course that, new cases are being diagnosed on a daily basis and that it's impossible to know where they are going to occur.
However, at some point, it may be wise/neccessary to impose some travel restrictions.
I notice that the Irish government are wanting to postpone the forthcoming Ireland v Italy game - again, the masses wont be happy but, it seems like a sensible idea from where I'm sitting.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "It does seem strange not to prevent travel to some of the more stricken areas but to then quarantine people when they arrive back here.
Although there would be uproar if people couldn't take their holidays etc, surely this would be a more effective method of restricting the virus.
I well aware of course that, new cases are being diagnosed on a daily basis and that it's impossible to know where they are going to occur.
However, at some point, it may be wise/neccessary to impose some travel restrictions.
I notice that the Irish government are wanting to postpone the forthcoming Ireland v Italy game - again, the masses wont be happy but, it seems like a sensible idea from where I'm sitting.'"
Travel has already been restricted - or at least the FCO advises against travel and people and companies - and airlines - respond. I can tell you now most business travel has being restricted massively.
It's going to continue to spread globally either way and remember, there is no vaccine (yet). The key in the UK is to at least prevent a rapid spread to minimise overloading services. A slow spread reduces the peak demand on service.
Feckin idiotic loaded questions on QT last night - "if it should get worse, where will the (NHS) staff come from?" Is there really an expectation in today's entitled society that there should be tens of thousands of doctors and nurses somehow on standby or will appear by magic??
Nope. A pandemic is a pandemic. The NHS will do a brilliant job either way - even when the press are reporting otherwise. And I expect the army and private health services will join in. But the fact is that if tens of millions of us become infected and 2-5% of those die, we're not going to have the clean, sanitised, sheltered country we're used to. Even when most symptoms are mild, things will get messy.
There was a definite hint of the outlook when Jon Ashworth backed the government, even if only half-heartedly. Ask yourself when the opposition ever backs the government.
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| It's alright, Trump says it's a hoax. We can all relax.
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| Quote: Cronus "Travel has already been restricted - or at least the FCO advises against travel and people and companies - and airlines - respond. I can tell you now most business travel has being restricted massively.
It's going to continue to spread globally either way and remember, there is no vaccine (yet). The key in the UK is to at least prevent a rapid spread to minimise overloading services. A slow spread reduces the peak demand on service.
Feckin idiotic loaded questions on QT last night - "if it should get worse, where will the (NHS) staff come from?" Is there really an expectation in today's entitled society that there should be tens of thousands of doctors and nurses somehow on standby or will appear by magic??
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No but only a feckin idiot would ignore the fact that we are 50,000 nurses short from the last Tory government. Even Boris agreed with that but obviously not you.
Just one question Cronus.
If we had not lost those 50,000 nurses could we copeBETTER with a Coronavirus epidemic ?
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| Quote: Durham Giant "No but only a feckin idiot would ignore the fact that we are 50,000 nurses short from the last Tory government. Even Boris agreed with that but obviously not you.
Just one question Cronus.
If we had not lost those 50,000 nurses could we copeBETTER with a Coronavirus epidemic ?'"
Yes of course we are down on nurses. I have never said otherwise. I'm not ignoring anything. Whatever the current staffing levels in the NHS, expecting "extra staff" to magically materialise in sufficient numbers to handle a massive pandemic is idiotic. The NHS - even with the best of contingency and crisis response planning - is not staffed for massive emergencies.
And yes, of course the NHS would cope better with 50,000 extra nurses. Though what difference it would make to the death rate of covid-19 is questionable given there is no vaccine or treatment. If you get it, you are told to self-quarantine and either you recover or you don't.
Of those who don't recover but make it to medical care, palliative care is all that can be given right now. Either way I fully expect hospitals would be overwhelmed if things escalate massively, mainly because as per usual thousands will rock up with the slightest itchy cough, but that would happen with or without extra nurses.
And there certainly aren't enough beds for tens of thousands of dying patients anyway. Are there plans to implement 'pop-up' wards? Convert sports halls, etc? Or - again, given there is no treatment other than easing some symptoms - send people away?
I'd be also interested to know if A&E are planning to take a harder line with their triage services and send those at less risk away, ideally with police back-up. "You're 25, young and healthy. No underlying issues. You will recover. Go away."
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| Quote: Cronus "Yes of course we are down on nurses. I have never said otherwise. I'm not ignoring anything. Whatever the current staffing levels in the NHS, expecting "extra staff" to magically materialise in sufficient numbers to handle a massive pandemic is idiotic. The NHS - even with the best of contingency and crisis response planning - is not staffed for massive emergencies.
And yes, of course the NHS would cope better with 50,000 extra nurses. Though what difference it would make to the death rate of covid-19 is questionable given there is no vaccine or treatment. If you get it, you are told to self-quarantine and either you recover or you don't.
Of those who don't recover but make it to medical care, palliative care is all that can be given right now. ."'"
You really are clueless. TypicalTory thinks he knows better than the experts.
It is not so much the flu that kills you rather the complications ie Pneumonia or breathing difficulties,organs shutting down.
If that is the problem those things can often be treated .
Things like ITU and ICU units care for patients like this all the time.
Oxygen being given, ventilation till the body can respond, CPAP, monitoring patients to see they get the treatment they need at the right time.
Nurses do this all the time.maybe if 1 nurse helped 1 person live that’s 50,000 people who may not have died.
From my sisters experiences she worked on ward where 4 nurses would keep 30 people alive.
That is 375,000 people that might not die.
Many people will get Coronavirus that would otherwise have survived if there had not been so many cuts to the health service and 50,000 nurses would have made a huge difference.
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