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Unsurprisingly, the statement has now been retracted.

Regardless of your views on gay issues, this is a triumph for individual liberty. Employers do not have the right to police the private views of their employees, even if such views contradict the equality mantra shoved down everyone's throats at work.

Congratulations Adrian!

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The guy was, in my view, entitled to post his opinions on his own Facebook page, fair enough.

He hadn't refused to house married gay couples or anything, so no issue.

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This war on secularism has gone too far

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Quote: John_D "This war on secularism has gone too far'"

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As for the issue - correct decision in my view. Shouldn't have happened in the first place as long as it wasn't affecting his job.

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Quote: El Barbudo "The guy was, in my view, entitled to post his opinions on his own Facebook page, fair enough.

He hadn't refused to house married gay couples or anything, so no issue.'"


Kirkstaller thinks otherwise though.

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Quote: Him "As for the issue - correct decision in my view. Shouldn't have happened in the first place as long as it wasn't affecting his job.'"

Facetiousness aside, I agree. Can't stop people having outdated and reprehensible views and neither would I want to, but unless it impairs him somehow in the workplace, as you were.

I'm intrigued by his notion of there being too much equality. It amuses me.

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Quote: Dead Man Walking "Kirkstaller thinks otherwise though.'"


Do I?

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Quote: John_D "I'm intrigued by his notion of there being too much equality. It amuses me.'"


I'm sure most Christians would agree.

The issue here though is that Adrian Smith was expressing his concern that churches may be forced to conduct gay marriages. By "equality too far" he meant that, in this case, the gay rights movement's pursuit of equality would infringe the church's right to act in accordance with doctrine.

The church has the right to manifest their views the same way a gay man has the right to manifest his sexuality. From a secular standpoint, to stop the church from upholding the biblical definition of marriage is equally as wrong as prohibiting gay civil marriage.

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I agree with his first comments

"I don’t understand why people who have no faith and don’t believe in Christ would want to get hitched in church"

But then he carries on about "civil" partnerships and then goes all bigoty on us.


"I have won today. But what will tomorrow bring? I am fearful that, if marriage is redefined, there will be more cases like mine - and if the law of marriage changes people like me may not win in court.
"Does the Prime Minister want to create a society where people like me, people who believe in traditional marriage, are treated as outcasts? That may not be his intention, but, as my treatment shows, that's what will happen.
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Quote: Sheldon "I agree with his first comments

"I don’t understand why people who have no faith and don’t believe in Christ would want to get hitched in church"'"

He makes a fair point, but is he also suggesting that if you're gay you can't be a Christian?

And it's about access of services to everyone without discrimination, kirkstaller.

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Quote: Him " as long as it wasn't affecting his job.'"

rlLike this duderl?

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Quote: Sheldon "I agree with his first comments

"I don’t understand why people who have no faith and don’t believe in Christ would want to get hitched in church"'"

That only makes sense if you assume that there are no gay Christians. Clearly he assumes just such a thing.

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Quote: John_D "rlLike this duderl?'"

Yep. If his views stop him from driving a bus then he should leave or be removed from his job.

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Two points:

1) At no time have I seen reference to any church being forced to conduct gay marriages, the proposal is a civil marriage and if any church so wishes, it can (not must) conduct a same-sex marriage.

Does kirkstaller know what OMG means? (And please don't come back with "Oh my gosh"icon_wink.gif If he does, is he happy with his blasphemy?

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Quote: cod'ead "Two points

Quite, but it doesn't fit in with their propaganda.

And I'd like to retract my first statement until I can find out who funds specific churches, if they're supplemented by the tax payer then everyone has a right to marry there.

I wouldn't force the priest/bishop to perform the ceromoney though.

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