FORUMS FORUMS



  
FORUMS > The Sin Bin > It's a Double dip
170 posts in 12 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
RankPostsTeam
Moderator12488No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Mar 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Looks like the economy is back in recession which shows that the Coalition did get it wrong on the economy cutting spending too fast.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17836624
Looks like the economy is back in recession which shows that the Coalition did get it wrong on the economy cutting spending too fast.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17836624


RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10852No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2018Aug 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Durham Giant "Looks like the economy is back in recession which shows that the Coalition did get it wrong on the economy cutting spending too fast.

No, no, you've got it all wrong. You see, if they had cut spending at a more reasonable rate, things would be even worse. Have you seen '28 days later'?

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman14845No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2021Jul 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024May 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: Dally "....and probably little to do with public spending cuts.'"


You don't half write some rubbish at times. When a government stops spending it has a huge effect on the economy. Period.

It was only last week it was on the radio that we were in fact likely to avoid a double dip recession because the panic buying of fuel induced by the government had increased economic activity sufficiently to keep the growth figure positive!

I thought then I couldn't believe my ears that they needed this "false" demand in the economy to keep things positive and would no doubt be singing the news from the hills that they had avoided the double dip as a result. As the BBC article points out the extra fuel buying is not in these figures so if they were relying on this false demand in the domestic economy to keep things positive it stands to reason it there wasn't enough demand in the domestic economy without it to avoid a recession. Why is domestic economic activity so weak that it needs panic fuel buying to keep it out of recession? Because things like the construction industry are in recession (as the figures show) and they rely heavily on government contracts.

Demand will weaken further as government policy on benefit cuts come in to force this month and with more job cuts to come.

The idea public spending cuts have not contributed to these figures in a big was is ridiculous.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman32466No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2018Aug 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



It also proves (as in that link) that "City Forecasters" are about as good at doing their job of forecasting as my dog is, even on this mornings news bullitens the "city forecasters" were predicting that the country would narrowly avoid recession with growth "predicted" as 0.1%.

I could understand it if they were a smidgen out but they were miles away with their "forecast".

Remember folks, these are the same people who are in charge of your ISA's and pensions.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach13190No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2020Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Brace yourselves for a round of 'we inherited...............................................' from the ConDem MP's

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman37704No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2018Aug 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Dally "Why does it show the Coalition got it wrong by cutting spending too quickly? It simply doesn't. It shows we may be in recession, but that's more likely as a result of debt, sqeezed real incomes, the Eurozone, etc, etc and probably little to do with public spending cuts.'"


Strange we're lagging behind most other economies as compared to 2008 though?

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman14845No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2021Jul 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: DaveO "You don't half write some rubbish at times. When a government stops spending it has a huge effect on the economy. Period.

'"


Says the man who puts 3 full stops at the end of a sentence.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024May 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: McLaren_Field "It also proves (as in that link) that "City Forecasters" are about as good at doing their job of forecasting as my dog is, even on this mornings news bullitens the "city forecasters" were predicting that the country would narrowly avoid recession with growth "predicted" as 0.1%.'"


+0.1% or -0.2% doesn't really matter in the real world they don't live in. Both alternatives are crap and show the idea the private sector would step in and drive economic recovery is not happening.

I first heard the panic buying of fuel would keep us out of a recession on the BBC radio 2 drive time business five minutes slot and not once was the economist who stated this asked the obvious questions that isn't it a rather false picture if we have to rely on that to keep us out of recession?

What he did say though was that even if this (false) demand had kept us out of recession it was a good thing because market sentiment was all important. So it seems it doesn't matter how you spin it to avoid recession provided you can kid yourself you are doing so that is all right.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator12488No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Mar 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: Dally "Why does it show the Coalition got it wrong by cutting spending too quickly? It simply doesn't. It shows we may be in recession, but that's more likely as a result of debt, sqeezed real incomes, the Eurozone, etc, etc and probably little to do with public spending cuts.'"



Surely even you can recognise that pay freezes, masive job cuts, and reductions in spending by the Government is going to contribute to squeezed real incomes icon_confused.gif:

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman37704No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2018Aug 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Drunk George Osborne on twitter:

"Totally baffled. We've aggressively attacked the disabled, kids, women & the North and we've still gone into recession! It makes no sense!"

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman47951No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2017Jul 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: DaveO "You don't half write some rubbish at times ...'"


Oh, he never does it by halves.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024May 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: Dally "Says the man who puts 3 full stops at the end of a sentence.'"


Well I suppose that is one way to admit your original post was indeed rubbish.

Him
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member14970No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2021Nov 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Durham Giant "Surely even you can recognise that pay freezes, masive job cuts, and reductions in spending by the Government is going to contribute to squeezed real incomes Yep. Which leads to less consumer spending & lower consumer confidence, which leads to lower business confidence & lower production, which leads to higher inflation & lower GDP, which leads to...
The government have created a vicious circle through virtually no infrastructure investment and excessive cuts.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman14845No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2021Jul 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: DaveO "You don't half write some rubbish at times. When a government stops spending it has a huge effect on the economy. Period.

It was only last week it was on the radio that we were in fact likely to avoid a double dip recession because the panic buying of fuel induced by the government had increased economic activity sufficiently to keep the growth figure positive!

I thought then I couldn't believe my ears that they needed this "false" demand in the economy to keep things positive and would no doubt be singing the news from the hills that they had avoided the double dip as a result. As the BBC article points out the extra fuel buying is not in these figures so if they were relying on this false demand in the domestic economy to keep things positive it stands to reason it there wasn't enough demand in the domestic economy without it to avoid a recession. Why is domestic economic activity so weak that it needs panic fuel buying to keep it out of recession? Because things like the construction industry are in recession (as the figures show) and they rely heavily on government contracts.

Demand will weaken further as government policy on benefit cuts come in to force this month and with more job cuts to come.

The idea public spending cuts have not contributed to these figures in a big was is ridiculous.'"


They may have contributed but they are not the principal reason.

People have become fixated with public spending being an economic driver. It is not. It is something that can only be done out of the wealth created from other economic activities. It can have a place in simulating construction, etc - but the government are chucking loads of money at building acadamies, etc, etc. Also, through the BoE's QE huge amounts of extra money have been put into the economy.

The real problem, as I said, is more fundamental - debt, falling real incomes, EZ, etc. Until personal debt and fear as to incomes are reduced the problems will persist (with short-term ups and downs along the way). As predicted in 2008 it would take 10 years to sort out and still believe it will (but now I would suggest that is the best outcome). As a country we need to get used to falling living standards due to competition rom the developing world. People talk about British companies not investing - the top UK listed companies do invest but not much in the UK - because returns are smaller here than on a factory in a deveolping country.

170 posts in 12 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
170 posts in 12 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


6.5419921875:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40791
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63259
Recent
Film game
Wanderer
5734
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
22s
Planning for next season
Bent&Bon
184
22s
Shopping list for 2025
hull2524
5586
24s
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63259
30s
Pre Season - 2025
Irregs#16
188
35s
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
50s
Squad 2025
Miserybusine
64
1m
Salford placed in special measures
FIL
106
1m
IMG Score
Bull Mania
83
2m
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
4
2m
Rumours and signings v9
[Gareth]
28897
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
4
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Trojan Horse
36
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
karetaker
52
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
1041
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
636
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1363
England's Women Demolish The W..
1193
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1430
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1211
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1473
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
2011
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2224
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2462
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
2025
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2269
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2734
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2158
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2234