https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47301007 Surely, this is common sense? I would've thought that unless you transitioned prior to puberty then, a trans female athlete would have much higher levels of testosterone, denser bones, and stronger muscles compared to their cisgendered competition?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47301007 Surely, this is common sense? I would've thought that unless you transitioned prior to puberty then, a trans female athlete would have much higher levels of testosterone, denser bones, and stronger muscles compared to their cisgendered competition?

Yep , no such thing , with regards any top level sport , you are what you were born with , by all means live your private life as you please , but as far as in competition is concerned shouldn't happen

Is this really a problem? Can't say that I've seen many trans athletes hoovering up all the medals.

That's true but, although she's not Transgender, there are major issues with Caster Semenya and naturally high levels of testosterone and she seems to beat the competition with ease, apart from, from time to time, seeming to "allow" herself to get beaten.
Navratilova's words on the subject are spot on but, in the modern world and with "transgender" issues becoming far more prevalent, and with numbers rapidly increasing this could be a major issue in the future and not just in sport.

Caster Semenya is female, not intersex. She's not transgender either. Her body produces more testosterone than average that's all.

Do you ban extra tall basketball players because their genes give them a physical advantage?

Yes, I know but, there are many of her competitors wanting to ban her because of her "unfair" advantage and no, you cant ban anyone just because they have a physical (or psychological) advantage.

It's difficult to imagine having to go through a "gender test" in order to be allowed to compete or to be banned for not being "female". There was an Indian runner, stripped of her medals 10/15 years ago, which must be horrendous.

Hasn't this been an issue in athletics for years? Runners have been moaning about Kenyan's having an unfair advantage since they started winning all the distance races, with the occasional Ethiopian outlier, and Michael Phelps could be argued as having a distinct advantage because of his enormously wide shoulders and freakishly long arms.

I kind of get the need to have a conversation about transgender athletes - but this isn't one of those cases.

Phelps advantage was his body proportions i.e. very short legs compared to his overall body length

Transgender is a huge issue in society - this is small group with a disproportionate influence - the sooner this is rectified the better

All this even if they dress as woman they should be classed as woman even though they have male organ is bonkers

Eh?

The idea that humans that started life as men should be able to compete against humans born just because they have decided they were born into the wrong body type and they have had hormone treatment is ridiculous

The transgender lobby is disproportionately powerful - now we have a status of gender fluid WTF!!, primary schools have gender neutral toilets so the kids can decide what gender they would prefer to be its bonkers.

Ask Ian McEwan how he was treated when he suggested having a penis is a good indicator of gender.

Now that homosexuality is now considered mainstream those who campaigned for that have now shifted to Transphobia as the enemy

I don't really see it as a massive issue at all. There is disproportionate coverage of it that's for sure.

Gender neutral toilets are not new, they have always existed in bars restaurants and people’s homes. I think you have probably read some fake news if you think this about schools, more likely budget cuts means refurbishing and maintaining one set of toilets is cheaper than two.

Sadly despite the efforts of LGBT groups, homophobia and transphobia is still very common. One in five LGBT people have experienced a hate crime or incident because of their sexual orientation and/or gender identity in the last 12 months.

I tend to agree - I'm involved in oversight of 7 schools, and none of them have gender neutral toilets "so that kids can decide what gender they are" - that sounds like a copy/paste from the comments section of the Daily Mail website. We do have shared toilets though, just like we all have at home, because school budgets are cut to the bone, and it's preferable to retain an SEN coordinator, for example, than to have extra bogs.

Agreed, would be even better if urinals were banned and replaced with toilet cubicles, why Men are expected, in the 21st Century, to stand next to someone else whilst having a wee is archaic.


If everywhere had cubicles, then it wouldn't matter.

That stagefright is a b*tch, right?