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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"Is what you're trying to say that 100,000 people are dead but they were amongst the weakest and most vulnerable in our society so... meh?'"
Based on the data I'd say the UK Government, NHS and SAGE have done an appalling job in protecting/saving the weakest and most vulnerable in our society. Everyone involved in those organisations should hang their heads in shame. Second highest C19 death toll (deaths per million) in the world. Roll on the public inquiry. |
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| Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Coronavirus put in perspective...
England Data
Cases [Positive PCR – 3,694,339*
[i*Estimated Asymptomatic cases according to the NHS [1 in 3 – 1,231,446[/i
[iEstimated number of cases [past infections according to the Office of National Statics by December 2020 in the general community excluding hospitals, care homes and/or other institutional settings – 5,400,000[/i
Total Patients admitted to hospital – 384,852
Breakdown by age (slight reporting lag behind above total):-
Patients admitted aged 0-17 – 5,183
Patients admitted aged 18-64 – 134,700
Patients admitted aged 65-84 – 159,267
Patients admitted aged 85+ – 80,985
Total Deaths PCR positive within 28 days – 109,602
Deaths recorded in hospitals – 83,917
[iRemaining 25,000+ deaths occurred in care homes / hospices[/i
Hospital deaths by age [uwith No[/u pre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 9
20-39 yrs - 78
40-59 yrs - 588
60-79 yrs – 1,459
80+ yrs – 1,355
Hospital deaths by age [uWith [/upre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 29
20-39 yrs - 499
40-59 yrs – 5,318
60-79 yrs – 30,589
80+ yrs – 43,993
Condition - Count of condition - % of all hospital deaths with condition
Asthma - 6,290 - 8%
Chronic Kidney Disease - 13,648 - 17%
Chronic Neurological Disorder - 2,192 - 3%
Chronic Pulmonary Disease - 12,995 - 16%
Dementia – 13,187 - 16%
Diabetes - 21,603 - 26%
Rheumatological Disorder - 2,539 - 3%
Ischaemic Heart Disease - 8,244 - 13%
Other - 60,216 – 73%
[iPatients that have died may have had more than one pre-existing condition.[/i
Does anyone know where I can find the case breakdown by age data?'"
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"So, what conclusions should anyone draw from your figures ?'"
I am less concerned about the death rates than I am about those who suffer from long Covid and those who are likely to have longer term health problems.
Absolutely loads of evidence that may younger people who had milder Covid have PERMANENT lung damage.
Many others have heart wall muscle damage .
Those who have died are the tip of the iceberg .
We do not yet have figures that are reliable enough to tell us what the long term effects on population/ death rates and health problems in the future will be. |
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| Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Coronavirus put in perspective...
England Data
Cases [Positive PCR – 3,694,339*
[i*Estimated Asymptomatic cases according to the NHS [1 in 3 – 1,231,446[/i
[iEstimated number of cases [past infections according to the Office of National Statics by December 2020 in the general community excluding hospitals, care homes and/or other institutional settings – 5,400,000[/i
Total Patients admitted to hospital – 384,852
Breakdown by age (slight reporting lag behind above total):-
Patients admitted aged 0-17 – 5,183
Patients admitted aged 18-64 – 134,700
Patients admitted aged 65-84 – 159,267
Patients admitted aged 85+ – 80,985
Total Deaths PCR positive within 28 days – 109,602
Deaths recorded in hospitals – 83,917
[iRemaining 25,000+ deaths occurred in care homes / hospices[/i
Hospital deaths by age [uwith No[/u pre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 9
20-39 yrs - 78
40-59 yrs - 588
60-79 yrs – 1,459
80+ yrs – 1,355
Hospital deaths by age [uWith [/upre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 29
20-39 yrs - 499
40-59 yrs – 5,318
60-79 yrs – 30,589
80+ yrs – 43,993
Condition - Count of condition - % of all hospital deaths with condition
Asthma - 6,290 - 8%
Chronic Kidney Disease - 13,648 - 17%
Chronic Neurological Disorder - 2,192 - 3%
Chronic Pulmonary Disease - 12,995 - 16%
Dementia – 13,187 - 16%
Diabetes - 21,603 - 26%
Rheumatological Disorder - 2,539 - 3%
Ischaemic Heart Disease - 8,244 - 13%
Other - 60,216 – 73%
[iPatients that have died may have had more than one pre-existing condition.[/i
Does anyone know where I can find the case breakdown by age data?'"
you've produced this post yet you've not provided the link to back this up, I thought the forum ruling was if going to post you had to provide your evidence where you got it from,
we've had one crank dismissed feeding misinformation and if I remember right you backed up the crank on the wakey forum that went for 100 or so pages |
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How many people went into hospital with other conditions - caught Covid in hospital and died?
I know its heresy but the NHS has not covered itself in glory when dealing with the pandemic - good job we protected it - otherwise it could have been complete carnage.
The idea that nurses - the majority of which had no involvement with Covid deserve a 12.5% pay increase is bonkers. That's unions for you - barely in touch with reality.
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| Quote Zoo Zoo Boom="Zoo Zoo Boom"How many people went into hospital with other conditions - caught Covid in hospital and died?
I know its heresy but the NHS has not covered itself in glory when dealing with the pandemic - good job we protected it - otherwise it could have been complete carnage.
The idea that nurses - the majority of which had no involvement with Covid deserve a 12.5% pay increase is bonkers. That's unions for you - barely in touch with reality.'"
I've heard estimates on the TV/Radio (GMB/BBC Radio 4) between 20 to 25% caught it on NHS hospital wards. Appreciate if anyone could share the information where this has been officially acknowledged. |
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They're not "my" figures. I'm posting the official data.
Conclusions - that would be for an independent panel with no conflicts of interest to decide. |
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| Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"They're not "my" figures. I'm posting the official data.
Conclusions - that would be for an independent panel with no conflicts of interest to decide.'"
So, why post them in relation to a "vaccine guinea pig" thread. Surely you have a reason or, was it a random act on your behalf ? |
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| Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"They're not "my" figures. I'm posting the official data.
Conclusions - that would be for an independent panel with no conflicts of interest to decide.'"
yes they are your figures as the link don't show what you've posted, clever why of getting around it |
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As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development .
What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats.
The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term
https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6
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As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development .
What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats.
The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term
https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6
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