Quote: Mild Rover "Are these serious posts or are you just trying to ‘trigger’ us? I’m not sure the latter would be in very good taste.
Cronus - this mindset that you’ve never come across... you’ve just gone on a massive gammon box-ticking exercise. I know you like to see yourself as a free-thinker and bristle at being stereotyped, but you make it helluva hard for us to play along sometimes. I’m at least happy to acknowledge I’m predictable. How can you be regularly tripping over copies of Mein Kampf and have never encountered these attitudes? Not even because reading Mein Kampf increases your ‘not a racist’ insurance premium, but because, in my experience, it isn’t a book many people own, whereas casual, lazy gammony racism is close to as prevalent as reflexive snowflakey apologism.
I like the ‘cannot avoid the facts’ and the ‘facts speak for themselves’ rhetoric. I don’t know where to start with that, I’m so spoiled for choice. I’ll have a ponder.
Anyway, go on then, if cultural, historical and current racism is not a significant factor what do you guys think are the underlying issues? I know I may regret this.'"
WTF is the Mein Kampf lecture? I don't own it. I read it once. It's not a big deal and the only indicator on my personality is that I though it might be interesting (it wasn't).
If you're' 'triggered' by my post, you've got issues. I've laid out my argument and identified some underlying issues, with supporting stats. You instantly dismiss it as a "massive gammon box-ticking exercise", presumably because you've bought into the BLM/white oppression rhetoric and I haven't. But here's the thing - facts aren't rhetoric. It's patently clear black communities do far more damage to themselves than whites and there is evidence to support that. It's also patently clear that white cops aren't slaughtering innocent unarmed blacks en masse. Far from it. Why aren't BLM marching against the gangs peddling drugs that do so much more damage in so many more ways? Where's the BLM outrage there?
Why don't you tell me why the average black person from a deprived neighbourhood might find it difficult to advance themselves? Is there a white person turning them away? Are white cops likely to kill them? Are companies advertising for 'whites only'? Are there no equality laws in the US? Are the teachers all white and therefore by BLM logic, racist? Do the schools only take whites? Instead, why is it we see people of all colours and creeds across all political levels across the US, and succeeding in the workplace? I thought they were all oppressed?
Or is it more likely that being born that a run-down community rife with casual drug use, low-level criminality, unemployment, gang influence, etc is a terrible starting point? Could it be that the majority not having a father figure is an influence? Could it be they find themselves in a community that holds them back and drags them into a destructive lifestyle? Could it be they feel it's not worth trying before even giving it a chance? Could peer pressure drag them out of education? Could peer pressure drag them into criminality? It's a self-perpetuating cycle, as I've already said, and there is no easy solution - that doesn't make it 'their fault', although breaking this cycle has proven hugely difficult to any significant degree. But white oppression is not doing this. There are thousands of tales of kids growing up in places such as Compton and experiencing precisely these circumstances and this cycle - more autobiographical books and films that I care to mention. Even frickin 'Boyz n the Hood' is based on John Singleton's youth and battle to overcome and escape gang culture.
I'm all for eliminating racism. But I won't support a racist anti-white movement like BLM that advocates violence and destruction on the streets. Skin colour means nothing to me, never has. I assess someone by their personality. If you're a dick, you're a dick. That's why I agree with Morgan Freeman - making racism an issue makes racism an issue. Yes, racism exists in many forms and I don't deny there are individual examples that may get in the way, but in general does racism or white oppression stop a black kid in, say, Nottingham or Philadelphia getting anywhere? No.
And I'll reword my earlier reply - you defined your statements in terms of 'snowflake' or 'gammon'. Given they are very detailed statements presumably thought up by you and therefore also defined by your personal definition of 'snowflake' or 'gammon' - there's every reason I haven't come across them in terms of the political leanings you describe. Just because you decide to define your own thoughts in that manner doesn't make it a societal defining statement. Put simply, people across all spectrums have differing views.
