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| Quote: Mild Rover "I think the questions this begs reflect one of the great gammon-snowflake psychological bifurcations, with both sides astonished at the other’s ability to ignore the bleeding obvious and twist the narrative to fit their worldview.
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I'm sure there are examples of this, but that's not a mindset I've ever come across.
You simply cannot avoid the facts. Criminality in the black population is far more prevalent than the white population. Why is that? There are many contributory factors but "white oppression" isn't anywhere near the cause BLM would have you think. The biggest cause of death and deprivation in the black community is not 'whites' or the police.
Seeing as it appears most people ignore the numbers, here are some:
- The biggest cause of killings of black men aged 15-45 is other black men.
- 93% of all killings of black people are done by other blacks.
- Blacks kill whites at almost 3x the rate of the reverse.
- In 2018 there were 547,000 black on white violent crime incidents, and only 59,778 white on black.
- For every 10,000 blacks arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed by the police.
- For every 10,000 whites arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed by the police.
- In 2019, 49 unarmed people were killed by the police: 9 were black, 19 were white.
- 50% of all murders in the US are by black men aged 15-40. That's 3.5% of the ENTIRE population of the USA.
The facts are that black men aged 15-40 are far more violent than any other section of the US population and carry out a massively disproportionate amount of crime, including murder. The same rings true for drugs, gangs, etc. And I think we can safely assume it's only a small percentage of that group. It's likely less than 0.5% of the US population are responsible for 50% of ALL murders and probably most other violence and criminality. Get your head around that.
That's before we even consider societal issues: 77% of all black babies are born to single mothers. Between 66%-75% of black children live in single parent households. No paternal figure - the damage this does is widely known and is probably one of the major factors in the route a young black man will take.
Self-perpetuating influences such as widespread casual drug use, low-level crime, casual unemployment and rife gang culture as well as the criminality, violence, gangs and drugs glamourised in music and movies all play their part in influencing a person's path. I.e. - if you come from a neighbourhood where all of this is normal, you will most likely consider it normal.
Now - you might read that as me saying "it's all their fault". Absolutely not. Blacks often live in far more deprived neighbourhoods with challenges to education and employment, and where criminality, drugs etc might seem the only means of making their way. While it's certainly possible to legitimately 'make it' and get out of those neighbourhoods in a decent job, it's also certainly true to say it's far more challenging to do so. There are many factors to all of this - but racism is a pretty insignificant one. Can the neighbourhoods themselves be turned around? I'm not sure.
As for the behaviour of the police, the numbers again speak for themselves. If you've ever spent some time on one of the US police YouTube channels, you'll be familiar with just how quickly a normal police encounter can turn into a lethal shootout. Are the police jittery at times? Of course. But again the numbers speak for themselves. Statistically speaking, they are hardly trigger-happy.
Yes, black lives do matter. But that causes of black deaths matter more and just blaming 'da police' or 'whites' is nonsensical. If you're sharing black squares online right now, you're a mug buying into a movement that cares more about targeting whites than actual black deaths. Otherwise why are they silent on the deaths of blacks unless committed by white police? More innocent blacks have been killed by rioters during BLM marches than by Minnesota Police. Silence from BLM.
As Morgan Freeman has stated repeatedly - "how do you get rid of racism? Stop talking about it."
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| Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "These tables relate to the US - what has that got to do with the UK death by age?'"
I didn't say UK and in your question neither did you, I quoted death rates from covid. They are pretty much identical across the globe in every country and this is a good example table. Only variations are in countries like India and some of the developing countries where higher percentages of deaths are starting to appear in younger people.
I could have posted the UK figures for last week, the percentages are roughly the same.
Where did you get your data from?
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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "I am not talking about the likes of JHB, Morgan and Young I am talking about the likes of Sridar and Gupta who educate our university students - are you saying they are not experts?'"
You did mention JHB so I did.
As for Gupta, yes, she's an epidemiologist but maybe you should watch this cringeworthy interview with Andrew Neil from October, where in the first 2 minutes makes a total fool of herself by saying (prompted by the human potato) the 50,000 cases per day projected by the governments advisors was nonsense. Where did we get to? 85,000 on one day in December?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxrG4hW3q2s
Gupta has been on the fringe of the scientific consensus since the beginning of the pandemic and is a strong proponent of herd immunity. Many of her predictions have been proved to be false and she has a poor track record on predictions.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... oronavirus
Herd immunity, the Great Barrington Declaration and the "Libertarians" behind it. Have a read of this.
https://arena.org.au/the-coming-covid-s ... claration/
It's not entirely critical and I think a well balanced review. We should not discount alternatives, that's counter productive - all options on the table.
The problem with Gupta in particular is that she's made grand statements and assumptions that have proved to be very, very inaccurate or just plain wrong. She also seems incapable of re-assessing her own position..
To be honest you can find all this out for yourself, I don't know why I'm doing it for you.
I actually work with some of the guys in the Oxford Zoology department, spoke to one of them today in fact. They are doing interesting work on Covid.
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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "I am not talking about the likes of JHB, Morgan and Young I am talking about the likes of Sridar and Gupta who educate our university students - are you saying they are not experts?'"
You did mention JHB so I did.
As for Gupta, yes, she's an epidemiologist but maybe you should watch this cringeworthy interview with Andrew Neil from October, where in the first 2 minutes makes a total fool of herself by saying (prompted by the human potato) the 50,000 cases per day projected by the governments advisors was nonsense. Where did we get to? 85,000 on one day in December?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxrG4hW3q2s
Gupta has been on the fringe of the scientific consensus since the beginning of the pandemic and is a strong proponent of herd immunity. Many of her predictions have been proved to be false and she has a poor track record on predictions.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... oronavirus
Herd immunity, the Great Barrington Declaration and the "Libertarians" behind it. Have a read of this.
https://arena.org.au/the-coming-covid-s ... claration/
It's not entirely critical and I think a well balanced review. We should not discount alternatives, that's counter productive - all options on the table.
The problem with Gupta in particular is that she's made grand statements and assumptions that have proved to be very, very inaccurate or just plain wrong. She also seems incapable of re-assessing her own position..
To be honest you can find all this out for yourself, I don't know why I'm doing it for you.
I actually work with some of the guys in the Oxford Zoology department, spoke to one of them today in fact. They are doing interesting work on Covid.
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| Quote: DHM "I didn't say UK and in your question neither did you, I quoted death rates from covid. They are pretty much identical across the globe in every country and this is a good example table. Only variations are in countries like India and some of the developing countries where higher percentages of deaths are starting to appear in younger people.
I could have posted the UK figures for last week, the percentages are roughly the same.
Where did you get your data from?'"
I think you knew very well I was quoting the the UK - and quoting one week is hardly representative.
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| Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "I think you knew very well I was quoting the the UK - and quoting one week is hardly representative.'"
Sadly, that one week will have included thousands of 'events' (deaths), so the sample size isn't small and likely is representative.
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