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| The biographer for Boris Johnson was on the radio earlier and when asked he didn't know how may children he had (abandoned). To be fair to him though he is consistent, in that he doesn't want to tell us an accurate birth or death rate.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Why would we it didn't happen when were a member what would change if we had stayed in?'"
My comment was a bit of a wind up. In reality we did have coordinated policies for the Tornado and Eurofighter. Both however were flawed designs but as the Saudis have a history of buying British I suspect a deal was done to ensure continuity even though it was politically embarrassing.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"I think you are missing a point - the R&D required on some of these projects is vast - similar to pharmaceuticals - unless you can spread this cost over volume of product it is simply uneconomic to develop cutting edge technology. No point going into battle with one hand tied behind your back because the planes/tanks are not up to it. So unless you think the British tax payer should pay well over the odds what is the alternative - these businesses employ tens of thousands of people.'"
And therein lays the conundrum.
You would expect that "allies" would share their technology (up to a point) but, regardless of cost and loss of business, arming dangerous groups should be absolutely off limits.
Of course there is diplomacy at work all over the world and deals done for all sorts of reasons but, the rationale of selling arms to the Saudis "because we have to sell them somewhere to balance the book" is just ridiculous.
Lets face it, the majority of recent conflicts involving the UK have been over oil or drugs, ultimately falling at the feet of our major ally, the USofA
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"And therein lays the conundrum.
You would expect that "allies" would share their technology (up to a point) but, regardless of cost and loss of business, arming dangerous groups should be absolutely off limits.
Of course there is diplomacy at work all over the world and deals done for all sorts of reasons but, the rationale of selling arms to the Saudis "because we have to sell them somewhere to balance the book" is just ridiculous.
Lets face it, the majority of recent conflicts involving the UK have been over oil or drugs, ultimately falling at the feet of our major ally, the USofA'"
So I'll ask again. How many thousands of jobs (people) are you willing to lose so we can salve your conscience? I don't mean this in a confrontational way but there would be a huge financial cost to individuals in taking the moral high ground. Would you be willing to sack them?
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| Quote wotsupcas="wotsupcas"So I'll ask again. How many thousands of jobs (people) are you willing to lose so we can salve your conscience? I don't mean this in a confrontational way but there would be a huge financial cost to individuals in taking the moral high ground. Would you be willing to sack them?'"
Counter question - Industries get wiped out all the time. The British coal, steel, textile, shoemaking and pottery industries have either all but gone, or have been reduced to miniscule operations in the grand scheme of things. Why does the arms industry get a free pass?
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| Quote King Street Cat="King Street Cat"Counter question - Industries get wiped out all the time. The British coal, steel, textile, shoemaking and pottery industries have either all but gone, or have been reduced to miniscule operations in the grand scheme of things. Why does the arms industry get a free pass?'"
Because its one thing that we are very good at innovation - and its where the UK really a powerhouse. If we look at all the other things you mentioned these are commoditised they can be produced anywhere - we cannot manufacture mass produced products cost effectively that is not the future for high cost populations. Highly sophisticated planes/tanks etc now that is a different ball game.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"And therein lays the conundrum.
You would expect that "allies" would share their technology (up to a point) but, regardless of cost and loss of business, arming dangerous groups should be absolutely off limits.
Of course there is diplomacy at work all over the world and deals done for all sorts of reasons but, the rationale of selling arms to the Saudis "because we have to sell them somewhere to balance the book" is just ridiculous.
Lets face it, the majority of recent conflicts involving the UK have been over oil or drugs, ultimately falling at the feet of our major ally, the USofA'"
As the saying goes keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer - if they are reliant on you for spare parts etc. to keep their war effort alive I doubt they will bite the hand that feeds
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| Although, and rightly so, it's a done deal with most of us, I wonder if Bozza will set a new record this evening, in the obvious, by telling us what a magnificent job our NHS are doing?
It could reach double figure proportion.
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| Quote King Street Cat="King Street Cat"Counter question - Industries get wiped out all the time. The British coal, steel, textile, shoemaking and pottery industries have either all but gone, or have been reduced to miniscule operations in the grand scheme of things. Why does the arms industry get a free pass?'"
I haven't said it gets a free pass. People are questioning the morals of it and I'm asking how many jobs would people be prepared to lose. Simple question really that hasn't been answered yet.
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| Liked the Alpine tunnel analogy from our fearless leader.
Kuenssberg is Bozza's bitch.
Witty is weird.
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| Quote WIZEB="WIZEB"Liked the Alpine tunnel analogy from our fearless leader.
Kuenssberg is Bozza's bitch.
Witty is weird.'"
Great performance by Bojo whilst flanked by 2 brilliant minds. Bojo resonates with the country.
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