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Preamble starts> I’ve noticed that some insults are being thrown across the political divide(s) on a few threads.
When you’ve spent a lot of years coming to understand the world as best you can, it can be easy, day-to-day, to imagine that those who understand it differently must be malign or manipulated or misinformed or just plain dumb. But, while that is undoubtedly true of some, to some degree, the idea that it is very true for very many people... seems unlikely to me (attacks on 5G infrastructure etc., apart). Most people are decent enough in my experience.
I think we can also all fall into the trap of working back from our self-image as liberal/conservative/whatever to a position that fits our existing worldview, or philosophy if we’re feeling grandiose, rather looking at arguments on their merits. <preamble ends
To mix and freshen things up and challenge our preconceptions about the world and each other, I’d like to suggest mashing up elements of Fantasy Policy Advisor (not a real thing afaik) and the Stanford prison experiment (real thing, not without issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment)
I’m imagining two small teams, each containing right- and left-leaning members, coming up with four or five bullet point policies as the basis of a political manifesto for the UK, for discussion with and criticism by the other team.
Anybody want to play?
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Preamble starts> I’ve noticed that some insults are being thrown across the political divide(s) on a few threads.
When you’ve spent a lot of years coming to understand the world as best you can, it can be easy, day-to-day, to imagine that those who understand it differently must be malign or manipulated or misinformed or just plain dumb. But, while that is undoubtedly true of some, to some degree, the idea that it is very true for very many people... seems unlikely to me (attacks on 5G infrastructure etc., apart). Most people are decent enough in my experience.
I think we can also all fall into the trap of working back from our self-image as liberal/conservative/whatever to a position that fits our existing worldview, or philosophy if we’re feeling grandiose, rather looking at arguments on their merits. <preamble ends
To mix and freshen things up and challenge our preconceptions about the world and each other, I’d like to suggest mashing up elements of Fantasy Policy Advisor (not a real thing afaik) and the Stanford prison experiment (real thing, not without issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment)
I’m imagining two small teams, each containing right- and left-leaning members, coming up with four or five bullet point policies as the basis of a political manifesto for the UK, for discussion with and criticism by the other team.
Anybody want to play?
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| Bell curve theory of intelligence.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "Bell curve theory of intelligence.'"
Ask Michael Gove about that one - he's a big fan.
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icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg |
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Although theoretically true,this is an absolute myth.
There are exceptions to every rule but the chances of success in life if you are from a "poor" background, perhaps with only 1 parent and then throw in some ethnic diversity and the amount of grease on the pole increases exponentially.
The vast, vast majority of those who are most successful come from those who are dealt the strongest hand from birth.
The difference in going through the state education system, compared with being privately educated is another huge factor.
I believe that anyone can succeed given the right opportunities to do so but, those opportunities are somewhat harder to come by if you start too far down the shaft.
For some kids, even getting to school every day is an achievement'"
I take your point but I don't agree with it - in any environment there is a pyramid structure - whether its a supermarket chain or a drug gang - there is only one person at the top and many more underneath. If you are born with higher intelligence you have a greater opportunity - that has nothing to do with wealth - in fact the opposite. State education against private will have an impact only because usually the parents are more engaged and for me that is what makes the difference the family environment - it is no surprise that kids that do well from more basic beginnings are those whose parents see the value in education and are both engaged and supportive. They also believe in opportunity - and supporting their children's hopes and aspirations. They are not beat before they start with all this only the toffs get on - its absolute rubbish.
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| Very good point, very well made.
Enjoy the sunshine (safely and responsibly) friends and frenemies.
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