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Quote: Sal Paradise "What I am saying is this - yes the Tories have lied - the punch thing was pretty desperate - but so have Labour something you want to gloss over and it is a very good reason not to vote Labour. Do you honestly think Labour care about the average working person? do they f**k.

The Tories are the best of a very bad job - I don't want a Marxist playing games with our economy just to see if it might work. Even Ashworth yesterday said Corbyn can't carry his party and is deeply unpopular in the country - another Labour big wig lying to cover himself.

You appear to have a very myopic view when it comes to the issues in Labour you simply turn a blind eye.

All the parties have rubbished the truth - Corbyn on selling off the NHS, the Tories on Brexit and the NI border - its the nature of politics, its a tragedy when you are voting for the lesser of two evils.'"


You're at it again, defending the indefensible.
To have a 4 year old boy on the floor in Casualty - because there aren't any available beds - as you probably know, there WAS a bed, but a more urgent case then deprived him of one.
That in itself is bad enough but, to then have a Tory sympathiser "friend" a nurse on Facebook and then use that "friend" as a reference to try and discredit the story, which was then splattered accross the Tory media is just bloody wrong and THIS is the world that YOU are advocating.

How can ANYONE think this is ok ??

And YOU personally, repeated the lies on here. Nobody else did but, YOU though it was fine, sorry but, its not.
Not now, not ever and we're not even discussing the PM's actions to this.

If he had any balls, he would have gone straight up to Leeds himself but, we know that he is severely lacking in bottle and any moral compass, unless there's a few quid in it for himself or his friends.

As I said lying T***s

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Quote: wrencat1873 "You're at it again, defending the indefensible.
To have a 4 year old boy on the floor in Casualty - because there aren't any available beds - as you probably know, there WAS a bed, but a more urgent case then deprived him of one.
That in itself is bad enough but, to then have a Tory sympathiser "friend" a nurse on Facebook and then use that "friend" as a reference to try and discredit the story, which was then splattered accross the Tory media is just bloody wrong and THIS is the world that YOU are advocating.

How can ANYONE think this is ok ??

And YOU personally, repeated the lies on here. Nobody else did but, YOU though it was fine, sorry but, its not.
Not now, not ever and we're not even discussing the PM's actions to this.

If he had any balls, he would have gone straight up to Leeds himself but, we know that he is severely lacking in bottle and any moral compass, unless there's a few quid in it for himself or his friends.

As I said lying T***s'"


I am not defending anything - to expect any hospital to have sufficient beds for any eventuality is ludicrous. Even your twisted view on life must accept that. Everyone knows we need to invest more in the NHS they question is how much?

Johnson did exactly the right in sending the minister in charge to do otherwise would simply be undermining the position of the minister - again even your twisted view on reality can see that to be the right thing to do.

I will still argue that boy should never have been put on the floor - there were other options. That was done for effect as was sending a picture to not one but two media outlets - you see that as OK - I don't I think its a s**t trick end of.

As I repeat your myopia towards the Tories does you no favours you have a very angry/twisted view on things - its quite disturbing - you need help.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I am not defending anything - to expect any hospital to have sufficient beds for any eventuality is ludicrous. Even your twisted view on life must accept that. Everyone knows we need to invest more in the NHS they question is how much?

Johnson did exactly the right in sending the minister in charge to do otherwise would simply be undermining the position of the minister - again even your twisted view on reality can see that to be the right thing to do.

I will still argue that boy should never have been put on the floor - there were other options. That was done for effect as was sending a picture to not one but two media outlets - you see that as OK - I don't I think its a s**t trick end of.

As I repeat your myopia towards the Tories does you no favours you have a very angry/twisted view on things - its quite disturbing - you need help.'"


There are two issues here.
Firstly, a shortage of hospital beds, resulting in a 4 year old boy, not having a bed and being pictured on the floor in a hospital corridor and this on it's own isn't great.
However, we then have Tory sympathisers (including yourself) trying desperately to portray this as not having happened and being a "publicity stunt", fake information form "a friend of a nurse" etc, utterly fabricated in order to DELIBERATELY pour doubt on the whole issue and the FAKS story of someone who "knows the staff" saying that it never happened.

I can live with the insufficient funding and the fact that there isn't a bed for everyone.
What I cant abide, is the ABSOLUTE LIES that have been banded about in order to cover up the mess, which is largely due to insufficient funding and as I stated, YOU were the only person on here to regurgitate the mis information, that was put out to try and take the heat off the Tory lies.

You are damn right that I'm angry and I make no apology for that - politics is twisted enough without the new gutter tactics of the current ruling party and the sooner that we have just a hint of honesty from those who should be setting an example to the masses, I'm sure that my level of anger will reduce.

As for you, if you cannot or will not see the wrongdoing with this particular issue than I fear that you are actually beyond help but you could try this number 0207 2703000 - ask for Boris or Cummings, I'm sure that you'll get a sympathetic ear.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "There are two issues here.
Firstly, a shortage of hospital beds, resulting in a 4 year old boy, not having a bed and being pictured on the floor in a hospital corridor and this on it's own isn't great.
However, we then have Tory sympathisers (including yourself) trying desperately to portray this as not having happened and being a "publicity stunt", fake information form "a friend of a nurse" etc, utterly fabricated in order to DELIBERATELY pour doubt on the whole issue and the FAKS story of someone who "knows the staff" saying that it never happened.

I can live with the insufficient funding and the fact that there isn't a bed for everyone.
What I cant abide, is the ABSOLUTE LIES that have been banded about in order to cover up the mess, which is largely due to insufficient funding and as I stated, YOU were the only person on here to regurgitate the mis information, that was put out to try and take the heat off the Tory lies.

You are damn right that I'm angry and I make no apology for that - politics is twisted enough without the new gutter tactics of the current ruling party and the sooner that we have just a hint of honesty from those who should be setting an example to the masses, I'm sure that my level of anger will reduce.

As for you, if you cannot or will not see the wrongdoing with this particular issue than I fear that you are actually beyond help but you could try this number 0207 2703000 - ask for Boris or Cummings, I'm sure that you'll get a sympathetic ear.'"


Calm down - let's put things into context.

The story will be a combination of a number of factors:
1. Extreme demand on the service - the busiest day since 2016
2. Leeds is in the grip of a Norovirus outbreak amongst young people
3. Long-term under-funding of the NHS - in part due to the dire financial position the Tories inherited from Labour, most agree Labour would have embarked on a form of austerity. Add to that the interest the NHS is paying on PFI projects supported by the Labour party under Blair/Brown.
4. Increased demand on the NHS due to people living longer, new clinical procedures, new drugs, social care issues etc.
5. If the parent hadn't decided to put the child on the floor this would not have been an issue.
6. If the parent hadn't took a picture to sell to the YP for one this wouldn't have been an issue
7. The child was assessed and deemed not a priority by highly qualified clinical professionals - he went home that day. Perhaps he shouldn't have been there in the first place?
8. Lying - agreed - the stunt on some activist punching an aide was stupid

I am not defending anyone - I am merely trying to put things into context unlike you who is so blinded and enraged you have lost the ability of logic thought. I have had 3 kids who all had the normal infections kids get including tonsillitis not once did I think of taking them to A&E.

Sometimes we all have to take the responsibility and consequences of the decisions we take - we simply cannot defend everything everybody ever does - unless their a Socialist and then its all OK!!

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Calm down - let's put things into context.

The story will be a combination of a number of factors
Don't talk sense, it doesn't go down well with the lefties.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "5. If the parent hadn't decided to put the child on the floor this would not have been an issue.'"


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