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Quote: King Street Cat "Even at the lower end of Public Health England's 2016 estimate, £8.5bn nowhere near covers it.

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No argument there. However my initial post was in response to how much drinking and smoking cost the NHS (not the entire economy) versus illegal drug use. We get nothing back from junkies and there seems to be nothing but sympathy for them. Why are drinkers and smokers seen as pariahs but habitual drug users seen as people deserving of our pity. We get nada,zilch,zero back from them and how much do they cost the NHS/economy?

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Quote: wrencat1873 "You're at it again, defending the indefensible.
To have a 4 year old boy on the floor in Casualty - because there aren't any available beds - as you probably know, there WAS a bed, but a more urgent case then deprived him of one.
That in itself is bad enough but, to then have a Tory sympathiser "friend" a nurse on Facebook and then use that "friend" as a reference to try and discredit the story, which was then splattered accross the Tory media is just bloody wrong and THIS is the world that YOU are advocating.

How can ANYONE think this is ok ??

And YOU personally, repeated the lies on here. Nobody else did but, YOU though it was fine, sorry but, its not.
Not now, not ever and we're not even discussing the PM's actions to this.

If he had any balls, he would have gone straight up to Leeds himself but, we know that he is severely lacking in bottle and any moral compass, unless there's a few quid in it for himself or his friends.

As I said lying T***s'"


I am not defending anything - to expect any hospital to have sufficient beds for any eventuality is ludicrous. Even your twisted view on life must accept that. Everyone knows we need to invest more in the NHS they question is how much?

Johnson did exactly the right in sending the minister in charge to do otherwise would simply be undermining the position of the minister - again even your twisted view on reality can see that to be the right thing to do.

I will still argue that boy should never have been put on the floor - there were other options. That was done for effect as was sending a picture to not one but two media outlets - you see that as OK - I don't I think its a s**t trick end of.

As I repeat your myopia towards the Tories does you no favours you have a very angry/twisted view on things - its quite disturbing - you need help.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I am not defending anything - to expect any hospital to have sufficient beds for any eventuality is ludicrous. Even your twisted view on life must accept that. Everyone knows we need to invest more in the NHS they question is how much?

Johnson did exactly the right in sending the minister in charge to do otherwise would simply be undermining the position of the minister - again even your twisted view on reality can see that to be the right thing to do.

I will still argue that boy should never have been put on the floor - there were other options. That was done for effect as was sending a picture to not one but two media outlets - you see that as OK - I don't I think its a s**t trick end of.

As I repeat your myopia towards the Tories does you no favours you have a very angry/twisted view on things - its quite disturbing - you need help.'"


There are two issues here.
Firstly, a shortage of hospital beds, resulting in a 4 year old boy, not having a bed and being pictured on the floor in a hospital corridor and this on it's own isn't great.
However, we then have Tory sympathisers (including yourself) trying desperately to portray this as not having happened and being a "publicity stunt", fake information form "a friend of a nurse" etc, utterly fabricated in order to DELIBERATELY pour doubt on the whole issue and the FAKS story of someone who "knows the staff" saying that it never happened.

I can live with the insufficient funding and the fact that there isn't a bed for everyone.
What I cant abide, is the ABSOLUTE LIES that have been banded about in order to cover up the mess, which is largely due to insufficient funding and as I stated, YOU were the only person on here to regurgitate the mis information, that was put out to try and take the heat off the Tory lies.

You are damn right that I'm angry and I make no apology for that - politics is twisted enough without the new gutter tactics of the current ruling party and the sooner that we have just a hint of honesty from those who should be setting an example to the masses, I'm sure that my level of anger will reduce.

As for you, if you cannot or will not see the wrongdoing with this particular issue than I fear that you are actually beyond help but you could try this number 0207 2703000 - ask for Boris or Cummings, I'm sure that you'll get a sympathetic ear.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "There are two issues here.
Firstly, a shortage of hospital beds, resulting in a 4 year old boy, not having a bed and being pictured on the floor in a hospital corridor and this on it's own isn't great.
However, we then have Tory sympathisers (including yourself) trying desperately to portray this as not having happened and being a "publicity stunt", fake information form "a friend of a nurse" etc, utterly fabricated in order to DELIBERATELY pour doubt on the whole issue and the FAKS story of someone who "knows the staff" saying that it never happened.

I can live with the insufficient funding and the fact that there isn't a bed for everyone.
What I cant abide, is the ABSOLUTE LIES that have been banded about in order to cover up the mess, which is largely due to insufficient funding and as I stated, YOU were the only person on here to regurgitate the mis information, that was put out to try and take the heat off the Tory lies.

You are damn right that I'm angry and I make no apology for that - politics is twisted enough without the new gutter tactics of the current ruling party and the sooner that we have just a hint of honesty from those who should be setting an example to the masses, I'm sure that my level of anger will reduce.

As for you, if you cannot or will not see the wrongdoing with this particular issue than I fear that you are actually beyond help but you could try this number 0207 2703000 - ask for Boris or Cummings, I'm sure that you'll get a sympathetic ear.'"


Calm down - let's put things into context.

The story will be a combination of a number of factors:
1. Extreme demand on the service - the busiest day since 2016
2. Leeds is in the grip of a Norovirus outbreak amongst young people
3. Long-term under-funding of the NHS - in part due to the dire financial position the Tories inherited from Labour, most agree Labour would have embarked on a form of austerity. Add to that the interest the NHS is paying on PFI projects supported by the Labour party under Blair/Brown.
4. Increased demand on the NHS due to people living longer, new clinical procedures, new drugs, social care issues etc.
5. If the parent hadn't decided to put the child on the floor this would not have been an issue.
6. If the parent hadn't took a picture to sell to the YP for one this wouldn't have been an issue
7. The child was assessed and deemed not a priority by highly qualified clinical professionals - he went home that day. Perhaps he shouldn't have been there in the first place?
8. Lying - agreed - the stunt on some activist punching an aide was stupid

I am not defending anyone - I am merely trying to put things into context unlike you who is so blinded and enraged you have lost the ability of logic thought. I have had 3 kids who all had the normal infections kids get including tonsillitis not once did I think of taking them to A&E.

Sometimes we all have to take the responsibility and consequences of the decisions we take - we simply cannot defend everything everybody ever does - unless their a Socialist and then its all OK!!

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Calm down - let's put things into context.

The story will be a combination of a number of factors
Don't talk sense, it doesn't go down well with the lefties.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "5. If the parent hadn't decided to put the child on the floor this would not have been an issue.'"


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Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Halifax
15:00
York
v
Featherstone
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov 2024
     Womens Internationals 2024-R2
12:00
ENGLAND W
v
WALES W
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
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Matches on TV
Thu 8th Aug
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Salford
Fri 9th Aug
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
Sat 10th Aug
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wigan
Sun 11th Aug
SL
15:00
Leigh-Hull FC
SL
15:00
LondonB-Warrington
Sat 17th Aug
SL
19:30
Warrington-Leeds
SL
17:00
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
14:30
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:30
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:00
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:30
Huddersfield-Castleford
Fri 23rd Aug
SL
20:00
Castleford-Warrington
SL
20:00
Leeds-Catalans
Sat 24th Aug
SL
15:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
SL
14:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Sun 25th Aug
SL
15:00
LondonB-Leigh
SL
15:00
Wigan-Hull FC
Fri 30th Aug
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Warrington
Sun 4th Aug
SL 20 LondonB12-10Catalans
WSL2024 10 FeatherstoneW6-68LeedsW
WSL2024 10 BarrowW6-64St.HelensW
WSL2024 10 Wire W0-61York V
WSL2024 10 WiganW70-0Hudds W
L1 18 Keighley72-12Newcastle
L1 18 Oldham32-0Midlands
L1 18 Rochdale46-32Cornwall
L1 18 Workington24-28Crusaders
CH 20 Barrow24-24Bradford
CH 20 Dewsbury16-42Wakefield
CH 20 Featherstone24-16Batley
CH 20 Halifax38-18York
CH 20 Sheffield22-20Doncaster
CH 20 Whitehaven12-24Widnes
NRL 22 Penrith22-14Newcastle
NRL 22 Canterbury22-18Canberra
Sat 3rd Aug
SL 20 Hull FC6-46St.Helens
SL 20 Salford22-16Leeds
CH 20 Swinton4-48Toulouse
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Hull KR 20 503 259 244 30
Wigan 19 495 258 237 30
Warrington 20 502 267 235 28
Salford 20 377 382 -5 26
St.Helens 20 501 262 239 24
Catalans 20 376 286 90 24
 
Leeds 20 371 364 7 20
Leigh 19 392 286 106 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 20 274 612 -338 6
LondonB 20 210 735 -525 4
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 18 626 222 404 34
Sheffield 18 510 303 207 26
Toulouse 17 516 224 292 25
Widnes 18 434 319 115 23
Bradford 18 421 321 100 22
Featherstone 18 464 375 89 18
 
Doncaster 18 338 432 -94 17
York 19 446 383 63 16
Batley 18 300 390 -90 16
Halifax 18 356 477 -121 14
Barrow 17 279 482 -203 13
Swinton 18 346 470 -124 12
Whitehaven 18 348 580 -232 12
Dewsbury 19 240 602 -362 2
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