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Quote: Mild Rover "The Conservatives’ mandate is very weak and the new leader taking it on second hand is not going to be in a strong position. His party won’t allow a deal, Parliament won’t allow no deal, a general election would be massively unpredictable with the Brexit Party and committed Remain parties taking votes from the Conservatives and Labour, and a second referendum would likely be close enough to not solve the problem. Stalemate.

Clumsy, ugly and potentially disasterous as it will be, maybe it needs someone like Johnson to bring it to a head, and see how it falls out. Or maybe he’ll just tie himself and us in even more Gordian knots.

We really have made a right pig’s ear of this.'"


Couldn't agree more, add to that Labour won't allow a deal what ever as it might be as a way of getting a general election. It was said on Politics live today that the only thing Johnson is hoping to renegotiate with the EU is the backstop. So it looks like the status quo will continue.

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How much of Boris' spending pledges should we believe, they guy is doing just as he did during the Brexit campaign and telling the voting public what they want to hear, without any sense of reality or likelihood that it will happen.
I quite like his plan for the Leeds - Manchester rail link but, if our country wasn't so London centric, this should/would have happened before any thought's of HS2.
The same "idiots" that believed him firs time round will probably fall for it again.
The people of Sunderland saying that they intend to vote for him is scary.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "How much of Boris' spending pledges should we believe'"


It would help if the media held his wild claims properly to account.

For example, the breathless reporting of his "20,000 new police officers in 3 years" claim - I have seen very little mention of the fact that that through retirement and other natural wastage, we'll lose around 20k officers in the next 3 years; so a nett zero effect.

And that's quite aside from the fact that having closed so many police stations, there'd be nowhere for them to work even if we did get new ones.

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Quote: bren2k "It would help if the media held his wild claims properly to account.

For example, the breathless reporting of his "20,000 new police officers in 3 years" claim - I have seen very little mention of the fact that that through retirement and other natural wastage, we'll lose around 20k officers in the next 3 years; so a nett zero effect.

And that's quite aside from the fact that having closed so many police stations, there'd be nowhere for them to work even if we did get new ones.'"


Yes, it turned our to be an extremely ambiguous "policy".
I think that he said "new" rather than "additional" which keeps numbers pretty much the same as they are now.

Everything is largely irrelevant until Brexit is either done or dead.

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another tory ,another grub.85% of the population have been held back by these upper class tory twits for years,link them with the royals,another load of upper class scroungers.

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