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Quote: wrencat1873 "In reply to the op, there is no doubt that there is a huge imbalance in wealth, accross the globe and in an ideal world something should be done to make things a little more level.
Unfortunately, this will never happen.
Those that have the wealth, with one or two notable exceptions will never shar nor relinquish their "lofty status".
Although money cant directly buy happiness, it can sure help and it also give huge influence.

Personally, I believe that the planets finite resources will be the great "leveller" at some point in the next century.
With environmental "events" likely to occur with more regularity and being more "violent", there could be a shift in how people view wealth.

The consumer society is on a collison course with nature and this will be the biggest test and threat to future inhabitents of the world.

Even with current targets for CO2, many of the western nations have been happy to "pass on" their CO2 to China and India and then try to point the finger back in their direction.

We all need to consume a hell of a lot less and move accross to renewable energy but, this simply cant happen in a world where success is measured by the volume of goods consumed.

At the risk of going all "David Ike", we could all be heading for meltdown.'"


I'm not sure why you have to conclude your post by suggesting the pending environmental catastrophe is reserved for weirdos. It has been accurately predicted by respected groups and scientists for plenty of years. With regards to the main gist of your post, the reduction in resources, without strong world wide agreement, will not be a leveler; quite the opposite. The normal rules of economics are that price will go up as resources become scarce. The rich, greedy & corrupt will be circling like vultures. Do you trust the party of austerity, or Trump, to manage that situation equitably? More desperate reactions by those without resources will result. The flow of migrants will make the current situation look like a primary school dinner queue.

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Quote: tigertot "Looking at other countries, like the good ol' USofA, where being ill can be quite expensive it doesn't seem to make much of a difference, in fact they are worse than us. I certainly don't have any ready answers, but connecting people with the production of food they eat might be a start,'"


A large chunk of the population has health insurance - a bit like us so why would their behaviour be any different - sadly?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "A large chunk of the population has health insurance - a bit like us so why would their behaviour be any different - sadly?'"


The figures I have read are that between 33-50 million Americans don't have health insurance - between half to 3/4 of our population. It is estimated 45,000 die as a result each year. They spend twice as much per capita on health than the world average but are ranked 34th in the healthiest countries in the world. Highly processed food & a lack of exercise are killers.

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Quote: tigertot "The figures I have read are that between 33-50 million Americans don't have health insurance - between half to 3/4 of our population. It is estimated 45,000 die as a result each year. They spend twice as much per capita on health than the world average but are ranked 34th in the healthiest countries in the world. Highly processed food & a lack of exercise are killers.'"


Completely agree - the point I was referring to is your assumption that because health care is very expensive people will take a different view to their lifestyle - its obvious they don't.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Completely agree - the point I was referring to is your assumption that because health care is very expensive people will take a different view to their lifestyle - its obvious they don't.'"


I think I was saying the opposite but as they haven't found a cure for memory loss I'm not sure.

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Quote: King Street Cat "I can't believe paying for missed appointments isn't already in place. It would recoup millions.

My wife works for the NHS, and people not turning up for appointments, or turning up late then demanding to be seen straight away is a regular occurrence.

People think that because it's a free service, there are no financial implications when they miss their appointments.

Yes, there will be implementation costs, and it will require a level of administration, but in a 24/7 digital age I would think there's a reasonably successful solution.'"

A big problem is the NHS unilaterally sending out appointment letters with no thought for whether the patient can make it. Although they have got better in many cases and liaise there are still many ludicrous examples. For example, a few months ago a letter arrived one morning saying my daughter had a hospital appointment at 2.00pm that day when they are aware she resides nearly 200 miles away and has to be collected! I and others I know have recently received short notice appointments via letter and the next day received a second letter changing the day by a couple of days. In fact, often receive two or three letters on the same day! My guess is this is deliberate so they can massage their stats / waiting lists by saying that people cancelled / didn't turn up?

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