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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"Exactly - and the first to do so; there'll be more to follow.'"
Davis went first, but you've never been good at accurate...
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| Quote Leigh_Manning="Leigh_Manning"Davis went first, but you've never been good at accurate...'"
I mean the first one with leadership ambitions, smart; nobody in their right mind would see Davis as a potential PM.
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k" nobody in their right mind would see Davis as a potential PM.'"
Or Brexit Secretary.
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"Or Brexit Secretary.'"
Especially Davies himself
I'm just pleased that we have such a strong and stable government at such an important time for the nation
2 years to try and reach agreement within the cabinet and the idiots in Westminster cant even manage that.
I've always been in the remain camp but, if we are leaving the EU and customs union then, lets at least have a deal that works, instead of blended crap.
Oh, how I wish Mr Cronus was here to tell us how it's all going to plan and this is just part of the negotiation process 
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Especially Davies himself
I'm just pleased that we have such a strong and stable government at such an important time for the nation
2 years to try and reach agreement within the cabinet and the idiots in Westminster cant even manage that.
I've always been in the remain camp but, if we are leaving the EU and customs union then, lets at least have a deal that works, instead of blended crap.
Oh, how I wish Mr Cronus was here to tell us how it's all going to plan and this is just part of the negotiation process
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it's easier to get married than divorced I guess!
the whole thing is a mess, and I doubt a Government of any slant would be doing better.
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| Cameron's idea that the referendum would sort out the issue once and for all is looking really good now.
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"Cameron's idea that the referendum would sort out the issue once and for all is looking really good now.'"
Cameron was a waste of space. Had it not been for Howard manipulating timing of the the leadership vote, Davies would have been leader. I disagree profoundly with David Davies, but say what you like, he has integrity, which is more than you can say for the rest of them. IMO Cameron should be put up against a wall and shot. This shambles for our country is entirely down to him. As are the shambles in the NHS and Education. You could of course blame Clegg for letting him in in the first place. There's another I'd have up against the wall!
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Especially Davies himself
I'm just pleased that we have such a strong and stable government at such an important time for the nation
2 years to try and reach agreement within the cabinet and the idiots in Westminster cant even manage that.
I've always been in the remain camp but, if we are leaving the EU and customs union then, lets at least have a deal that works, instead of blended crap.
Oh, how I wish Mr Cronus was here to tell us how it's all going to plan and this is just part of the negotiation process
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It's all going to plan and this is just part of the negotiation process.
Couldn't care less about Johnson but disappointed in Davis, who I always felt had integrity and intelligence, whatever your view of Brexit. I suppose his integrity got the better of him but it's no wonder the quality of our politicians is pretty dire given the culture of resignation. I'd rather have seen him fight it out.
The thing is, it will probably change very little. From what I believe May and her closest circle have always been steering the negotiations from No.10 and have actually carried out most of the talks, so the message to the EU won't really change.
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"Cameron's idea that the referendum would sort out the issue once and for all is looking really good now.'"
The referendum would have worked but, only with a remain vote ie,nothing would have changed.
The real difficulty for The Tories (and it would have been the same for Labour) is that, the Referendum was not along political party lines and both Labour and The Tories have a fair mix of Leave and Remain voters.
You have to say also that, Corbyn has been far from convincing with his remain stance and the bloke must have more splinters than Arnold Laver's wood yard after staying on the fence for so long.
I believe that his current position would be to have some sort of customs union and if he has such a great plan, perhaps, for the good of the nation, he should share it with the wider public and maybe we could reach a deal.
Sadly, I douby that it exists, other than in his own mind but, it does allow him to pretend that he has a plan, ironically, this is exactly what Mrs May has been pretending but, it seems that she has been found wanting.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"The referendum would have worked but, only with a remain vote ie,nothing would have changed.
The real difficulty for The Tories (and it would have been the same for Labour) is that, the Referendum was not along political party lines and both Labour and The Tories have a fair mix of Leave and Remain voters.
You have to say also that, Corbyn has been far from convincing with his remain stance and the bloke must have more splinters than Arnold Laver's wood yard after staying on the fence for so long.
I believe that his current position would be to have some sort of customs union and if he has such a great plan, perhaps, for the good of the nation, he should share it with the wider public and maybe we could reach a deal.
Sadly, I douby that it exists, other than in his own mind but, it does allow him to pretend that he has a plan, ironically, this is exactly what Mrs May has been pretending but, it seems that she has been found wanting.'"
I reckon my cat would do a better job, and all he cares about is the increased cost of prawns. The "establishment" are all useles, lost what little faith I had in "the system"!
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"The referendum would have worked but, only with a remain vote ie,nothing would have changed.
The real difficulty for The Tories (and it would have been the same for Labour) is that, the Referendum was not along political party lines and both Labour and The Tories have a fair mix of Leave and Remain voters.
You have to say also that, Corbyn has been far from convincing with his remain stance and the bloke must have more splinters than Arnold Laver's wood yard after staying on the fence for so long.
I believe that his current position would be to have some sort of customs union and if he has such a great plan, perhaps, for the good of the nation, he should share it with the wider public and maybe we could reach a deal.
Sadly, I douby that it exists, other than in his own mind but, it does allow him to pretend that he has a plan, ironically, this is exactly what Mrs May has been pretending but, it seems that she has been found wanting.'"
Except of course had Labour won in 2015 there wouldn't have been a referendum. If there'd been another coalition (Cameron and Osborne's preferred outcome IMO) there wouldn't have been a referendum. And if the various Remain factions in the Commons can get their act together, there still may not be a Brexit. Brexit is already a disaster for the UK, if it actually happens it'll make the thirties recession seem like a picnic.
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