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| Quote Roy Haggerty="Roy Haggerty"The majority of Brexit supporters were pensioners and Tories. They aren't going to express their outrage on the streets - after all, it's hard to take on a police horse with a zimmer frame. They get their far-right mouthpieces like the Express, Mail and Sun to do it for them. Most working people voted Remain, and the younger you were, the more likely you were to vote Remain. So if (and this won't happen, sadly, because our polticians are cowardly gets) Parliament now refused to invoke Article 50, thereby doing its job and saving the country from self-harm, I would personally volunteer to police any demo, if only for the opportunity of kicking the stick away from some clueless Tory pensioner who thinks it's still 1954.'"
I work in a warehouse in St. Helens. When we where discussing the referendum before it happened the vast majority of my colleagues said they where voting to leave. That included 19 year old unskilled lads and girls aswell as the managing directors. The only people who said they were voting remain were the Pilks pensioners who were worried that their investments would drop in value.
As far as I can see there is no voter regret.
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| Quote Roy Haggerty wrote:
The majority of Brexit supporters were pensioners and Tories. They aren't going to express their outrage on the streets - after all, it's hard to take on a police horse with a zimmer frame. They get their far-right mouthpieces like the Express, Mail and Sun to do it for them. Most working people voted Remain, and the younger you were, the more likely you were to vote Remain. So if (and this won't happen, sadly, because our polticians are cowardly gets) Parliament now refused to invoke Article 50, thereby doing its job and saving the country from self-harm, I would personally volunteer to police any demo, if only for the opportunity of kicking the stick away from some clueless Tory pensioner who thinks it's still 1954.'"
Nothing like simplifying things.hmmmm
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| Quote wigan_rlfc="wigan_rlfc"I work in a warehouse in St. Helens. When we where discussing the referendum before it happened the vast majority of my colleagues said they where voting to leave. That included 19 year old unskilled lads and girls aswell as the managing directors. The only people who said they were voting remain were the Pilks pensioners who were worried that their investments would drop in value.
As far as I can see there is no voter regret.'"
Have you worked out what the actual tangible benefits are yet of leaving ?
(Anyone can answer this one, anyone)
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Have you worked out what the actual tangible benefits are yet of leaving ?
(Anyone can answer this one, anyone)'"
It's a bit like sports clubs refusing to leave their own squalid spiritual homes rather than sharing a better facility elsewhere , it makes you ' feel ' better 
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Have you worked out what the actual tangible benefits are yet of leaving ?
(Anyone can answer this one, anyone)'"
Increase in vale of investments.
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| Quote GUBRATS="GUBRATS"It's a bit like sports clubs refusing to leave their own squalid spiritual homes rather than sharing a better facility elsewhere , it makes you ' feel ' better
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If it was "only" a sporting matter I may agree with you but, this issue is way more important.
The number of people that I have spoken to since the vote, who have said that they didn't realise this or that would happen as a result of the vote is quite astonishing.
The fact that every product that comes into the EU has a tariff number which attract a certan level of import duty and that EVERY one of these has to be re negotiated, from baked beans to bananas to Bentey's, EVERY one.
But, no , some of the Tory "optimists" are still saying that we will have free access to the single market !!!
WHY would the EU give Britain preferential access, whilst still charging other countries (who also allow free movement), is just bonkers.
If this was allowed, the EU would cease to exist and although it may crumble as a result of Brexit, there is just no way we can cherry pick our requirements and the thought of Britain arranging separate trade deals with other nations and then being allowed to supply "cheap" goods into the EU is just laughable.
Who in their right minds would allow this to happen or, believe that it could happen ????
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"If it was "only" a sporting matter I may agree with you but, this issue is way more important.
The number of people that I have spoken to since the vote, who have said that they didn't realise this or that would happen as a result of the vote is quite astonishing.
The fact that every product that comes into the EU has a tariff number which attract a certan level of import duty and that EVERY one of these has to be re negotiated, from baked beans to bananas to Bentey's, EVERY one.
But, no , some of the Tory "optimists" are still saying that we will have free access to the single market !!!
WHY would the EU give Britain preferential access, whilst still charging other countries (who also allow free movement), is just bonkers.
If this was allowed, the EU would cease to exist and although it may crumble as a result of Brexit, there is just no way we can cherry pick our requirements and the thought of Britain arranging separate trade deals with other nations and then being allowed to supply "cheap" goods into the EU is just laughable.
Who in their right minds would allow this to happen or, believe that it could happen ????'"
So we were trapped ?
Do you like being trapped ?
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"
The fact that every product that comes into the EU has a tariff number which attract a certan level of import duty and that EVERY one of these has to be re negotiated, from baked beans to bananas to Bentey's, EVERY one.?'"
So every product we sell to the EU will require a separately negotiated tariff ? , fair enough
Every product they sell us will need a similar negotiated tariff , no worries
As for free movement of people , well it does need to be under our control with regards those coming into Britain , if the EU want to put controls on British citizens entering the EU , again , no worries
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| Quote WHY would the EU give Britain preferential access, whilst still charging other countries (who also allow free movement), is just bonkers.'"
Why does free movement and tariffs need to be linked??
Will our trade deals with Australia, USA, India etc be linked to the number of people we are willing to let in?
Why aren't tariffs linked to your environmental performance, military spend...........
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| Quote wire-quin="wire-quin"Why does free movement and tariffs need to be linked??
Will our trade deals with Australia, USA, India etc be linked to the number of people we are willing to let in?
Why aren't tariffs linked to your environmental performance, military spend...........'"
1/ They are linked within the EU because that is the deal that every member agrees to when joining the EU.
2/ We dont yet have independent deals with the USA, India, Australia yet but, bearing in mind that the EU is our largest market and they simply wong give the UK a preferential deal, especiallly IF we obtain cheaper tariff free raw materials or finished goods from India, China etc and then try to supply back into the EU, they will first of all protect their "members" just as they currently do.
3/ Tariff's are not linked to anything other than being applied to ALL goods brought into the EU.
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| Quote GUBRATS="GUBRATS"So every product we sell to the EU will require a separately negotiated tariff ? , fair enough
Every product they sell us will need a similar negotiated tariff , no worries
As for free movement of people , well it does need to be under our control with regards those coming into Britain , if the EU want to put controls on British citizens entering the EU , again , no worries'"
I'm pleased that you have "no worries" about the products that the UK sells to the EU.
If your business depended on sales to the EU, you may think differently ?
Some politicians have tried to comfort the UK public by saying thet total trade with the EU is similar in both directions and therefore it makes sense not to have and "penalties" for trading with one another and whilst this may be true, the value of trade is approximately half of all the UK's exports but is no where near half of all exports out of the EU, therefore, in proportion, Britain has far, far more to lose.
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