You might find this of interest: it mentions tariffs and the WTO – and more. www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07 ... y-s-brexit

You might find this of interest: it mentions tariffs and the WTO – and more. www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07 ... y-s-brexit

Quote Mintball="Mintball"You might find this of interest: it mentions tariffs and the WTO – and more. www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07 ... y-s-brexit'" Nobody knows how this will play out should our government actually be serious about getting us out of the EU. The precedents are irrelevant, it will be a bespoke negotiation. If I were negotiating my starting points would be to try cosying up the USA and be seen to do so; and also to say we don't care about tariffs and the single market so long as we can control our borders, etc. If a few exporters have to fill in a few forms and even pay 2 per cent tariffs then what's the big deal - that's the historic position and what they have to do when exporting elsewhere? Will the other EU member states want to put all their exporters to the same trouble as they see it? I think not. If they do, so be it and will a bit of luck it may put a few off selling their wares here.

Quote Mintball="Mintball"You might find this of interest: it mentions tariffs and the WTO – and more. www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07 ... y-s-brexit'" Nobody knows how this will play out should our government actually be serious about getting us out of the EU. The precedents are irrelevant, it will be a bespoke negotiation. If I were negotiating my starting points would be to try cosying up the USA and be seen to do so; and also to say we don't care about tariffs and the single market so long as we can control our borders, etc. If a few exporters have to fill in a few forms and even pay 2 per cent tariffs then what's the big deal - that's the historic position and what they have to do when exporting elsewhere? Will the other EU member states want to put all their exporters to the same trouble as they see it? I think not. If they do, so be it and will a bit of luck it may put a few off selling their wares here.

Indeed.

Which, in most circumstances, would be considered an irresponsible way in which to make government policy.

But we know a number of things that help us to make informed estimates of what will happen. Hence that piece.

Don't know why people are so concerned about life outside the EU.

The EU has just lost its second biggest net contributor, other countries will be clamouring to hold similar referendums to the one we have just had. More and more countries will leave. The whole institution will come crashing down. There will be no EU in 15 years.

Once again, it's important we don't allow groundless assertions of fantasy continue to replace what we used to know as "truth". There was enough of that in the campaign. None of what you describe will come true. It was just another UKIP delusion, knowing or otherwise.

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The EU will be there in 15 years. There isn't another country in Europe with such a toxic press owned by right-wing millionaires which has pumped out so many lies about the EU for so long.

As we both don't appear to have time machines your claim that the EU will still be in existence in 15 years can just as easily be described as 'fantasy'.

The EU will probably on economic grounds. The 2008 crisis has shaken it badly and continues to do do. It seems to me very likely that there will another major economic shock shortly. If and when that shock occurs I doubt very much whether the EU will be able to continue in its current form with its current membership.

Quote Mintball="Mintball"You might find this of interest: it mentions tariffs and the WTO – and more. www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07 ... y-s-brexit'" Not a big fan of bloggers

Quote Mintball="Mintball"You might find this of interest: it mentions tariffs and the WTO – and more. www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07 ... y-s-brexit'" Not a big fan of bloggers

These "groundless assertions of fantasy" you refer to are presumably those remainiacs responsible for Project Fear
who the new PM has rightly banished to the back benches. The next target should be to sack that over political Governor of the Bank of England who continues to talk down our economy and prospects. This is the man that predicted before the vote rises in interest rates and mortgages and after the Brexit vote now talks of a drop in interest rates. He has a long record of misleading the markets with his wrong predictions on interest rates. Time to go.

It is most unlikley that the EU in its preent form will remain for long. With a steady decline in it's trade as the rest of the world has been expanding highlights how uncompetitive it has become, it faces further crisises with the single currency, it's almost bankrupt banks, it's naive immigration policy, it's corruption, it's undemocratic and over bureaucratic base of power and it's remoteness from the wishes of it's people. It is difficult to say which is worst the EU or the Eurovision Song Contest. We are best out of both!

I bet he's right and you're wrong. Now go and excite yourself - take that any way you want, with Uncle Rupert's latest proxy announcements.

I find changing the 'o' to an 'a' helps.