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Quote: Charlie Sheen "I consider myself a young(ish) voter, and I voted to leave. Calling anyone who voted to leave a racist, or xenophobe is exactly why we're in this situation. There has been a large minority of anti eu, anti-immigration sentiment in this country for a long time, and instead of addressing this with a legitimate, reasoned debate, these people were arrogantly dismissed by the political elite, and the regressive left. Now the crazies on the right of the Tory party now have a genuine mandate to push their agenda. Frankly, I would like to see an end to the whole EU project, and the (non) free trade agreements that underpin it, and consolidate the power of corporations, and bureaucrats.

Now if Corbyn had stuck to his principles instead of pandering to the dogmatic Blairites and backed the leave camp he could've shifted the debate away from immigration, and not alienated many of the 18-30 voters who got him elected in the first place. and he'd have been in a strong position to challenge the Torries.

I see 'Lord' Hill has resigned as the UK EU commissioner. I wonder how many people knew who he was before today? It's another example of the opaque undemocratic nature of the EU. The EU Commissioner is one of the most powerful, and important positions within the EU, yet it's a position given to a peer, selected by other peers.

A prolonged period of uncertainty is inevitable, but to say that we're doomed economically is a gross exaggeration. It's not as if the EU is a economic utopia. It's more resembling of a dystopia in terms of economic fundamentals. In fact as we've seen in Greece, the EU are more concerned about making an example of a member nation for making a fool of them than it is with enduring they make the economically correct choices that would benefit not just Greece, but the whole EU project. I don't think it's the kind of organisation we should be throwing our weight behind.'"


The 11 members who met today have asked us to begin the exit process immediately, this is their attempt to make an example of us and scare other nations who may be harbouring ideas of referendums of their own into compliance.
All they have succeeded in doing so far is to highlight themselves as acting like petulant children instead of providing a calm and measured response in keeping with the way European citizens would expect the people who govern them to do.

Mind you, it could also have something to do with the realisation that their individual countries contributions will increase. Its predicted that Germany will have to cough up an additional 2.8 Billion Euros.
No wonder the toys are in orbit.....

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Quote: Cronus "This has been widely known for months. There are certain financial obligations up to 2020 I think, partly due to the EU spending well above its budget. I'd be amazed if we paid anywhere near £65bn. I've heard figures of around the £25bn mark, though I'm prepared to be corrected.'"


I know its been mentioned for a little while but, it certainly never made the press before, during or after the campaign.
Using the modern analogy, usually favoured by Labour, it would certainly pay for a few schools and hospitals or care for the elderly.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "it would certainly pay for a few schools and hospitals or care for the elderly.'"


Who cares about that - the NHS is in rude health, and once all the nasty immigrants are kicked out of the waiting rooms, Dr's and nurses will be sitting around twiddling their thumbs; or at least the ones who weren't immigrants will be.

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The folly in letting French and German energy companies buy half of our suppliers is now apparent post the Brexit vote.
nPower is to raise gas prices by 5% and electricity by a whopping 15%

And rather than the rest sticking together and shafting the greedy s , they will follow suit and shaft US!

Also, if I am correct, we are connected to the French grid. At periods like breakfast and tea time we are importing electricity from France.

What kind of dumb-ass thinking got us here?

If Brexit doesn't result in a change of tack, then I will be staggered.

Keep the coal-fired stations going now.

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Quote: Stand-Offish "The folly in letting French and German energy companies buy half of our suppliers is now apparent post the Brexit vote.
nPower is to raise gas prices by 5% and electricity by a whopping 15%

And rather than the rest sticking together and shafting the greedy lovers , they will follow suit and shaft US!

Also, if I am correct, we are connected to the French grid. At periods like breakfast and tea time we are importing electricity from France.

What kind of dumb-ass thinking got us here?

If Brexit doesn't result in a change of tack, then I will be staggered.'"


How will Brexit make any difference ?
The deals with EDF, to build new Nuclear Power Stations have already been signed (prior to the referendum) and we have effectively agreed to I think a 30% increase by 2020 ?.
Unless you think that Brexit will change this, which it wont, you should expect your energy costs to rise steadily until 2020 and probably beyond.
If we were still digging coal from the ground we may still have some control but, instead, we have put our energy supplies in French hands, oh yeah and then fallen out with them a046.gif

All good stuff.

At least we will have "control" icon_surprised.gifops:

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