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| Quote: LeighGionaire "Perhaps I should have said the "average LOW PAID worker" voted leave. Study's have shown that the lower paid lose out under free movement of Labour - "UK studies find that immigration has small impact on average wages but more significant impacts along the wage distribution: low-waged workers lose while medium and high-paid workers gain"
Again, I'm just going to take issue with another growing myth here, which is the "only London and Scotland voted Remain". This is based on a map circulating on social media showing the whole country Blue except London and Scotland. It is, unfortunately, .
Birmingham was 50-50, essentially. Its suburbs were strongly Leave. Liverpool, Manchester, Norwich, Bristol, Gloucester, Newcastle, Leicester, Leeds, York, Brighton, Exeter, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cambridge and Oxford all voted Remain. There's a map circulating social media right now which is very misleading as it ups it to regional level, and rubs out the cities. Essentially, the Cities voted Remain. The suburbs, towns and most of the shores voted Leave. There were also large swathes of the SouthEast commuter corridors which were Remain, from mid-Kent across to Gloucestershire and from up to Cambridge down into Hampshire, plus some sizable slices of Cumbria and Yorkshire.
Produce a map of local authority areas, as opposed to regions, and it's a much more complex picture. And I'm going nowhere near Northern Ireland.
I don't disagree that low-pay immigration hurts low-pay British workers. It seems to me that the evidence for that is fairly clear. What I don't understand is why those same low-paid workers thought that the way to solve this problem was to vote for a campaign led by people who are the leading enthusiasts for low-paid immigrant Labour - Gove and Johnson - rather than electing a Labour Government which might enforce a more rigid minimum wage. As ever, the real answer to low pay is legislation and regulation, not futile attempts to keep out immigrants. I say futile for two reasons: firstly because business wants cheap Labour, and so they'll seek to get it no matter what, as long as they can get away with paying below minimum wage; and secondly, because we already have "control" over non-EU immigration, yet we have more non-EU immigrants than EU immigrants. Leaving the EU will do nothing for immigration numbers per se.
What WILL affect immigrant numbers is the recession which we're about to undergo as a result of this decision, the final collapse of manufacturing as companies relocate inside the EU, and the decline of the City and all the jobs supporting it, as Frankfurt slaps a tax on financial transactions outside the EU. This vote has completely screwed our entire economy. You'll have a hint about that from what's happened in the financial news today. So lots and lots more people are going to be unemployed and on very low pay. But hey, at least fewer Poles will come, because their economy will be doing better inside the EU than ours is doing outside it.
Today we've seen the only case of a democracy voting against its economic self-interest that I can find in the whole of history. And I'm an economic historian, so take my word for that.
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Jones is either clairvoyant or a very clever political analyst. It is all so frighteningly contrived. We, the public, are pawns played like the proverbial fiddle. Scary stuff.
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| By "refreshing" I assume you mean putting across views that chime with your own? They are both utter tripe as far as I can tell. The establishment might well fear a move towards socialism, but that has not and will not ever happen under Corbyn.
Perhaps the oddest thing for me with respect to so much of the commentary in favour of Corbyn is the sheer hypocrisy of it.
Firstly Corbynistas (I feel able to use that ridiculous term because Corbyn acolytes love to do the same) constantly bemoan him being demonised by the press whilst happily demonising Labour MPs who don't rate him (Blairites, Bliarites, Tory Lites, Neo-Libs, Red Tories etc etc).
The second issue is the irony of ignoring Corbyn's history of defying the party whip yet complaining about disloyalty of others. Somehow when Jeremy defied the party it was a moral stance, and yet when MPs defy him its disloyal? Just staggering hypocrisy.
The worst thing is that when some Labour MPs have reported threats from supposed Labour supporters for their lack of loyalty to the great man (who unlike Corbyn's fans actually have to work with him), its downplayed as just part of the hurly burly of politics, aided by Corbyn's pathetically lukewarm response. Corbyn himself has made (very thinly) veiled threats about deselection for MPs who who show disloyalty to him.
If it wasn't a major threat to democracy this whole thing would be laughable. Sadly the Judean People's Front vs People's Front of Judea is being played out real time by the supposed opposition.
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| Quote: vbfg "I'm not going to help fund its slow death and accelerating irrelevance either.'"
I'm not even kicking around for the vote.
Not my party any more. I quit on Saturday.
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| For the record, I would have abandoned all principles to support the candidate who, when sending canvassing emails and texts, used the preferred name I supplied instead of my full first and middle names in all caps. It's an experience not unlike being shouted at by my mother.
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