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"...the biggest boor, the most opinionated pompous bigot that frequents these
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Quote: LeighGionaire "As it is he pandered to the Blairites and went against his own beliefs and now they want to stab him in the back because they still don't realise the average British worker is anti-E.U and anti free movement of workers.'"
I know that Leave voters are prone to mad statements, conspiracy theories, and demonstrable nonsense, but let's just clear one thing up: the majority of people in jobs voted Remain - by quite a margin. That's both fulltime and part-time jobs. See attached poll: lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/ho ... d-and-why/
The majority of who don't work voted Leave. That's overwhelmingly retired people.
The "average British Worker", therefore, is a remain supporter who is horrified because the average British pensioner, having benefitted from the full employment, cheap housing, funded welfare state and full pensions of the post-war settlement, has just shafted the "average British worker" with his mortgage and bills, and the average British worker's kids, with their Uni fees zero-hours contracts and impossibly high rents, right up the backside.
This vote has some very clear correlations: the older you are, the more likely you voted Leave less well-educated you are, the more likely you voted Leave. The less economically active you are, the more likely you voted leave. This outcome is the old, the ignorant and the non-working imposing an economic catastrophe on the young, the working and the educated.
Bloody reality, eh?
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Quote: LeighGionaire "As it is he pandered to the Blairites and went against his own beliefs and now they want to stab him in the back because they still don't realise the average British worker is anti-E.U and anti free movement of workers.'"
I know that Leave voters are prone to mad statements, conspiracy theories, and demonstrable nonsense, but let's just clear one thing up: the majority of people in jobs voted Remain - by quite a margin. That's both fulltime and part-time jobs. See attached poll: lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/ho ... d-and-why/
The majority of who don't work voted Leave. That's overwhelmingly retired people.
The "average British Worker", therefore, is a remain supporter who is horrified because the average British pensioner, having benefitted from the full employment, cheap housing, funded welfare state and full pensions of the post-war settlement, has just shafted the "average British worker" with his mortgage and bills, and the average British worker's kids, with their Uni fees zero-hours contracts and impossibly high rents, right up the backside.
This vote has some very clear correlations: the older you are, the more likely you voted Leave less well-educated you are, the more likely you voted Leave. The less economically active you are, the more likely you voted leave. This outcome is the old, the ignorant and the non-working imposing an economic catastrophe on the young, the working and the educated.
Bloody reality, eh?
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There ain’t no music
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Jones is either clairvoyant or a very clever political analyst. It is all so frighteningly contrived. We, the public, are pawns played like the proverbial fiddle. Scary stuff.
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| By "refreshing" I assume you mean putting across views that chime with your own? They are both utter tripe as far as I can tell. The establishment might well fear a move towards socialism, but that has not and will not ever happen under Corbyn.
Perhaps the oddest thing for me with respect to so much of the commentary in favour of Corbyn is the sheer hypocrisy of it.
Firstly Corbynistas (I feel able to use that ridiculous term because Corbyn acolytes love to do the same) constantly bemoan him being demonised by the press whilst happily demonising Labour MPs who don't rate him (Blairites, Bliarites, Tory Lites, Neo-Libs, Red Tories etc etc).
The second issue is the irony of ignoring Corbyn's history of defying the party whip yet complaining about disloyalty of others. Somehow when Jeremy defied the party it was a moral stance, and yet when MPs defy him its disloyal? Just staggering hypocrisy.
The worst thing is that when some Labour MPs have reported threats from supposed Labour supporters for their lack of loyalty to the great man (who unlike Corbyn's fans actually have to work with him), its downplayed as just part of the hurly burly of politics, aided by Corbyn's pathetically lukewarm response. Corbyn himself has made (very thinly) veiled threats about deselection for MPs who who show disloyalty to him.
If it wasn't a major threat to democracy this whole thing would be laughable. Sadly the Judean People's Front vs People's Front of Judea is being played out real time by the supposed opposition.
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| Quote: vbfg "I'm not going to help fund its slow death and accelerating irrelevance either.'"
I'm not even kicking around for the vote.
Not my party any more. I quit on Saturday.
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| For the record, I would have abandoned all principles to support the candidate who, when sending canvassing emails and texts, used the preferred name I supplied instead of my full first and middle names in all caps. It's an experience not unlike being shouted at by my mother.
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