This thread is EMBARRASSING. Aside from the fact that most of you seem to equate [ithinking[/i with reproducing the words of [insert newspaper columnist here verbatim - we actually have several people claiming - quite seriously - that this debate is fundamentally about who is and who is not a "xenophobic racist".

The more I read of this kind of stuff the more I sympathize with the ruling class. At least they have some kind of purpose.

What was it that George Orwell said, [i“So long as the Proles continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult?”[/i

Trouble is Orwell was living in a time when his Proles actually showed some gumption. Left to trawl the fetid detritus in threads like these (which, alas, are all too common today) I'm sure Orwell would have opened up a vein in utter dismay.

Then you know nothing at all about Orwell. He was a strident campaigner and activist, not someone who would have curled up and dies in despair at other's views. If he were alive today he'd be front and centre for one side or the other.

I understand that , it's just it wasn't that 18 months ago when Dave was suggesting we'd be fine outside the EU , when he'd just announced the referendum to get rid of Nigel Farage

As for your racism suggestion , that I'm afraid is a cop out , all IMO of course

Do you feel there is a limit on numbers that Britain can accept ?

Jesus H. Christ! You people are incurable.

Leaving aside some very real criticisms I have of George Orwell - what EXACTLY about his body of work (books, pamphlets, editorials etc.) makes you think he'd exude enthusiasm for this debate?

It's interesting that you don't commit to which side of the fence YOU think he'd be on.

Well the utter c?nts at The Sun say you should vote to leave. Will you all be told what to do by an Aussie?

Though if an addendum were placed on the referendum that with Brexit we'd also ban Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch from operating here I'd be first to vote for it.

The Sun just jump on the bandwagon.

Every election year, hold out who they are backing until the polls are almost certainly in favour of someone then they come out and say we are backing this party, then take credit for it as though they had a say when said party wins.

bookies are getting closer and closer with their odds

cameron must be getting worried now!

the postal votes will be showing something....

I just want to know what Ernie Els bet on

leave

Anyone voting leave needs their bumps felt