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| After all the mind-churning, tit-for-tat, meaningless argy-bargy that has been served up by the two camps, I would recommend any undecideds and brexiters to read the most sensible and reasoned opinion piece yet, on the front page of today's Guardian. The author is none other than Delia Smith.
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| Both the remain and leave campaigns have thoroughly and consistently lied through their teeth in this campaign and have been allowed to get away with it by the pi55 poor media in this country.
The BBC are terrified of government and so are simply a repeating station for any government line, the rest I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw Nigel Wood sat on Josh Jones' shoulders.
Of course there wouldn't be war in Europe without the EU or if we left the EU. Nor would the country completely fall apart if we left.
On the other hand neither are those nasty, dirty, devious foreigners taking over or destroying "British culture" (whatever the feck that is). As for losing sovereignty? Well we gave that up to large institutions and the US decades ago. It most certainly wasn't lost to the EU.
The argument is over whether we'd be better off in or out. I can see arguments on both sides but I'm firmly in the remain camp.
If the EU isn't working then fix it.
The days of Empire are over, we can't just send a gunboat in to solve the situation and get what we want anymore. You have to work together with other countries and the way to influence things for the better is to be on the inside of these organisations not on the outside.
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| The last time I looked at this thread was on my mobile which doesn't have the ad blocker installed. Ironically there was a sponsored advert for the EU referendum from Richard Branson asking us to vote IN. Thanks for that multi-billionaire Richard, you're really on my level and I feel totally connected with you while you send emails from your own private island.
If us minions are going to be told how to vote, please don't take the ing out of us!
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| Quote Him="Him"Both the remain and leave campaigns have thoroughly and consistently lied through their teeth in this campaign and have been allowed to get away with it by the pi55 poor media in this country.
The BBC are terrified of government and so are simply a repeating station for any government line, the rest I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw Nigel Wood sat on Josh Jones' shoulders.
Of course there wouldn't be war in Europe without the EU or if we left the EU. Nor would the country completely fall apart if we left.
On the other hand neither are those nasty, dirty, devious foreigners taking over or destroying "British culture" (whatever the feck that is). As for losing sovereignty? Well we gave that up to large institutions and the US decades ago. It most certainly wasn't lost to the EU.
The argument is over whether we'd be better off in or out. I can see arguments on both sides but I'm firmly in the remain camp.
If the EU isn't working then fix it.
The days of Empire are over, we can't just send a gunboat in to solve the situation and get what we want anymore. You have to work together with other countries and the way to influence things for the better is to be on the inside of these organisations not on the outside.'"
The EU is an economic basket case. it is clear we would be better off within a decade. Our GDP is bigger than Russia's and if we put our savings and more from exit into military spending then it would drive innovation and within a decade would be a very powerful nation - behind only USA and China. In a dangerous world that for me is the way to go.
Despite your derision this country is the 5th largest economy in the world even with EU drag. We the impetus of getting out and standing proud Zi believe we could be 3rd within a decade and enter a golden era of prosperity, especially if we stopped importing millions of people on minimum wage and instead the world's best intellects.
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| Quote wigan_rlfc="wigan_rlfc"If we were to stay in the EU it isn't going to 'remain' the way it is now. Right from the start it was set up as an organisation to facilitate a European super-state. If we stay our national power will only be diminished further. The whole concept is based around Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi's work Pan-Europa which called for mass immigration into Europe which would lessen ideas of national and cultural identity and bring cheap labour for large corporations.'"
Wrong. The whole thing was based around an idea by Churchill and backed by the other Allied leaders in the wake of WWII.
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| The world has moved on from WWII, I think?
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| Quote DVW="DVW"After all the mind-churning, tit-for-tat, meaningless argy-bargy that has been served up by the two camps, I would recommend any undecideds and brexiters to read the most sensible and reasoned opinion piece yet, on the front page of today's Guardian. The author is none other than Delia Smith.'"
Written in a gin soaked stupour I'd imagine. Delia Smith? Come on! Who's taking her words of wisdom seriously?
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| Quote Him="Him""British culture" (whatever the feck that is).'"
You might not recognise it as standing out because you have been immersed in it since birth but we have a rich cultural history stretching back well over 1000 years,
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| Quote wigan_rlfc="wigan_rlfc"You might not recognise it as standing out because you have been immersed in it since birth but we have a rich cultural history stretching back well over 1000 years,'"
But the point is that that culture is an ever-changing and evolving one. It isn't the same "culture" over all that period, it's been influenced and changed by all sorts of things, especially foreign influences. So there's no reason it should stay exactly the same now. It should evolve and change, otherwise we'd never develop and evolve as a society.
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| Whether or not the Turks will up sticks and move the moment they get into the EU is unknown. However, it's a certainty once the privately financed death squads and counterinsurgency units pour into that country much in the same way they've done in Libya, Syria, Tunisia etc. Of course, it's just a coincidence that all these nations have been set ablaze roughly at the same time. After all, it's not like mass population migration has ever been used as an effective strategy before....
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"Wrong. The whole thing was based around an idea by Churchill and backed by the other Allied leaders in the wake of WWII.'"
But not of course for Brtain which was considered above all that.
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