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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "I'll give Corbyn his due - He's got the art of opposition politics down to a tee.... Promise some beautiful fantasy utopia, funded by cash from that money tree that the Greens had access to during the election campaign, and, Bob's your Uncle, he is being hailed by some as some sort of second coming (he even has the fortune of sharing the same initials as the first coming!).

I just hope for his sake that too many people don't fall for his ramblings, as he (and the WHOLE country) will be well in the mire if he has to live out his dreams.

Just as an aside, all these young radicals pinning their hopes on JC can't have had much of an education, because surely they should have read 'Animal Farm' and got themselves some sort of idea what will happen in Corbyn's socialist utopia?'"


We already have a "magic money tree", it's called the Bank of England and it's been busy printing money almost since its inception and working overtime since 2008. The problem is, this extra money is being hoarded and offshored by the rich. The country would be better off if they'd simply dropped £50 notes from a helicopter

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Quote: HullFC_1865 "not my responsibility, I am firmly a greedy capitalist, if others cannot be bothered to get off their backsides and achieve then that is up to them.'"


Do you also find self loathing therapeutic as well as despising individuals less fortunate than yourself?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Or take the bull by the horns and rely on themselves to make a difference for themselves and possibly some others?'"

You mean running their own business?

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Quote: HullFC_1865 "not my responsibility, I am firmly a greedy capitalist, if others cannot be bothered to get off their backsides and achieve then that is up to them.'"

You said people should get off their backsides and do something to change their situation.
Does that include working together with others to improve many peoples working lives?

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Where is the like button?

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The thing is, if all these people "got off their backsides, and achieved" then the world would essentially grind to a halt. Who would stack the shelves in the supermarket? Who would load the luggage on to the planes at the airport? Who would process the invoices for all the "achievers"?
What would happen if developing commodity exporting countries, and the workers within those countries working for peanuts because they don't feel they have another choice suddenly realised that they're being bent over, and actually started charging a more appropriate price for their labour, commodities?

The fact is, big business needs a significant amount of unskilled labour to pick from to exploit. It needs a high level of poverty, and corruption in developing countries to keep their import costs down.
Governments need people on welfare to buy votes. Big business needs government, to be able the pass legislation that favours their interests.
There're are definitely people in society who are parasites, and exploit the system, but many of those people are the ones who designed the system in the first place.

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