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| Confusion over political terms such as "Left-Wing" or "Right-Wing" might be common among the electorate today. But this wasn't always the case. Sure, in every society there are people who claim to be apolitical (a political statement in itself), but journey back a hundred years or so and you'd discover a country literally awash with political fervour. In Manchester alone there were over 200 newspapers published each week - the majority of which were fiercely political.
The joke that you could put a Labour donkey up for election in many northern towns and it would win was certainly no joke back then.
In the North West you voted Labour because you'd FOUGHT bloody battles on the picket line against fascist thugs to win the rights people take for granted today.
Back then people knew something most either don't or don't want to right now: Government concedes NOTHING and if you aren't prepared to fight for your rights - be prepared to lose them.
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| Quote: HullFC_1865 "not my responsibility, I am firmly a greedy capitalist, if others cannot be bothered to get off their backsides and achieve then that is up to them.'"
Do you also find self loathing therapeutic as well as despising individuals less fortunate than yourself?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Or take the bull by the horns and rely on themselves to make a difference for themselves and possibly some others?'"
You mean running their own business?
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| Quote: HullFC_1865 "not my responsibility, I am firmly a greedy capitalist, if others cannot be bothered to get off their backsides and achieve then that is up to them.'"
You said people should get off their backsides and do something to change their situation.
Does that include working together with others to improve many peoples working lives?
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| Quote: "HullFC_1865 wrote
Where is the like button?
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18919_1341147656.jpg [quote="King Monkey":30st820n]Maybe a spell in prison would do Graham good.
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| The thing is, if all these people "got off their backsides, and achieved" then the world would essentially grind to a halt. Who would stack the shelves in the supermarket? Who would load the luggage on to the planes at the airport? Who would process the invoices for all the "achievers"?
What would happen if developing commodity exporting countries, and the workers within those countries working for peanuts because they don't feel they have another choice suddenly realised that they're being bent over, and actually started charging a more appropriate price for their labour, commodities?
The fact is, big business needs a significant amount of unskilled labour to pick from to exploit. It needs a high level of poverty, and corruption in developing countries to keep their import costs down.
Governments need people on welfare to buy votes. Big business needs government, to be able the pass legislation that favours their interests.
There're are definitely people in society who are parasites, and exploit the system, but many of those people are the ones who designed the system in the first place.
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