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| Quote: cod'ead "Of those mentioned so far, here's my take
The person they need to stand has ruled himself out due to having a young family. Dan Jarvis.
Ex-Major from the Parachute regiment who resigned his commission in the army when he was selected to stand in the by-election for Barnsley in 2011.
The exact opposite of a career politician who would leave the Sun and the Daily Mail dumbfounded in trying to criticise him. I mean can you imagine those papers trying to criticise how an ex army Major who served in Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan eats a bacon butty?
He also went to my old Uni, Aberystwyth, so even better!
All this of course is about mostly about image not his politics (though if you rise to Major in the Army yet end up a Labour MP I reckon you must have some conviction) but in this day and age Miliband's ratings show no matter how decent a person you are, unless you have the right image you won't win.
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| Quote: HullFC_1865 "not my responsibility, I am firmly a greedy capitalist, if others cannot be bothered to get off their backsides and achieve then that is up to them.'"
Do you also find self loathing therapeutic as well as despising individuals less fortunate than yourself?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Or take the bull by the horns and rely on themselves to make a difference for themselves and possibly some others?'"
You mean running their own business?
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| Quote: HullFC_1865 "not my responsibility, I am firmly a greedy capitalist, if others cannot be bothered to get off their backsides and achieve then that is up to them.'"
You said people should get off their backsides and do something to change their situation.
Does that include working together with others to improve many peoples working lives?
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| Quote: "HullFC_1865 wrote
Where is the like button?
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18919_1341147656.jpg [quote="King Monkey":30st820n]Maybe a spell in prison would do Graham good.
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| The thing is, if all these people "got off their backsides, and achieved" then the world would essentially grind to a halt. Who would stack the shelves in the supermarket? Who would load the luggage on to the planes at the airport? Who would process the invoices for all the "achievers"?
What would happen if developing commodity exporting countries, and the workers within those countries working for peanuts because they don't feel they have another choice suddenly realised that they're being bent over, and actually started charging a more appropriate price for their labour, commodities?
The fact is, big business needs a significant amount of unskilled labour to pick from to exploit. It needs a high level of poverty, and corruption in developing countries to keep their import costs down.
Governments need people on welfare to buy votes. Big business needs government, to be able the pass legislation that favours their interests.
There're are definitely people in society who are parasites, and exploit the system, but many of those people are the ones who designed the system in the first place.
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