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| Sadly, IMO there are no true labour politicians anymore, and the same goes the majority of other party's.
All this talk of "aspiration" etc. is fine and dandy and the fear of losing anything is well founded. Add to that the playground notion of 'its my ball and if you don't play to my rules I'm taking it home" attitude and you get the situation we are in today.
A country scared to "think outside the box", where right and privilege are seen as ok but this cannot be permitted at the lower end of society because they may get something they don't deserve and "I" don't want to pay for it mentality.
Strange then that same attitudes are not applicable to the big spongers off the state called the monarchy.
A country where the "big bad unions" who fight for their members "aspirations" are condemned yet the other "unions" like the 1922 committee, the Nation Farmers UNION, the Freight Transport Association, the Law society, the BMA etc., etc, who have the "governments" ear and fight for their members (by the way some of these "unions" are CLOSED SHOPS!!!) are not seen as bad.
Strange isn't it.
I am a believer in you work for what you get, and that means for "daddies heirs" to take over a business/ancestry without putting the effort in is wrong, yet this is seen as normal. There are loads of businesses that have gone to the wall once the "heirs" have taken over yet the businesses had the people who could/should have taken the business forward but the system makes it difficult to give them the opportunity.
Cameron has stated his "one nation" philosophy" and then shot himself in the foot immediately by keeping IDS and Gove in the government.
The Labour need to look for a leader who aspire to be PM and also know what fairness means. That is the key to success. The tries create a divided nation but play on fear as their chief weapon. HONESTY AND TRUTH need to be the main weapons, and if that means looking inward and thinking "outside the box" then that is what the labour party need but one thing is definite, people who have only done "political study" and never been in business, care etc. are not the politicians this country needs.
We live in interesting times, and the next couple of years will be the most interesting indeed.
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| Quote: HullFC_1865 "not my responsibility, I am firmly a greedy capitalist, if others cannot be bothered to get off their backsides and achieve then that is up to them.'"
Do you also find self loathing therapeutic as well as despising individuals less fortunate than yourself?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Or take the bull by the horns and rely on themselves to make a difference for themselves and possibly some others?'"
You mean running their own business?
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| Quote: HullFC_1865 "not my responsibility, I am firmly a greedy capitalist, if others cannot be bothered to get off their backsides and achieve then that is up to them.'"
You said people should get off their backsides and do something to change their situation.
Does that include working together with others to improve many peoples working lives?
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| Quote: "HullFC_1865 wrote
Where is the like button?
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18919_1341147656.jpg [quote="King Monkey":30st820n]Maybe a spell in prison would do Graham good.
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| The thing is, if all these people "got off their backsides, and achieved" then the world would essentially grind to a halt. Who would stack the shelves in the supermarket? Who would load the luggage on to the planes at the airport? Who would process the invoices for all the "achievers"?
What would happen if developing commodity exporting countries, and the workers within those countries working for peanuts because they don't feel they have another choice suddenly realised that they're being bent over, and actually started charging a more appropriate price for their labour, commodities?
The fact is, big business needs a significant amount of unskilled labour to pick from to exploit. It needs a high level of poverty, and corruption in developing countries to keep their import costs down.
Governments need people on welfare to buy votes. Big business needs government, to be able the pass legislation that favours their interests.
There're are definitely people in society who are parasites, and exploit the system, but many of those people are the ones who designed the system in the first place.
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