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| Israel should let a few rockets hit, let the 'score' get a little bit less one-sided. They'd probably get a bit more support that way and also all the bandwagoners on my Facebook/Twitter timelines looking for a "cause du jour" would have a harder time of deciding how to display their outrage and who to direct it towards.
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| Quote Adamjk="Adamjk"Israel should let a few rockets hit, let the 'score' get a little bit less one-sided. They'd probably get a bit more support that way and also all the bandwagoners on my Facebook/Twitter timelines looking for a "cause du jour" would have a harder time of deciding how to display their outrage and who to direct it towards.
#StopKony2012 #BringBackOurGirls #FreeGaza'"
Israel agree to a cease fire, stop bombing just as the cease fire begins then get upset as Palestine are retaliating as the cease fire starts even though they weren't even consulted or told about the cease fire. Have Israel now managed to gain higher ground on the issue or has the "cease fire" been seen for what it really was?
If they both did agree to a cease fire....again, how long would it be before normal service resumed?
What real options are available to halting the violence between the two?
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| Quote West Leeds Rhino="West Leeds Rhino"Israel agree to a cease fire, stop bombing just as the cease fire begins then get upset as Palestine are retaliating as the cease fire starts even though they weren't even consulted or told about the cease fire. Have Israel now managed to gain higher ground on the issue or has the "cease fire" been seen for what it really was?
If they both did agree to a cease fire....again, how long would it be before normal service resumed?
What real options are available to halting the violence between the two?'"
You've asked similar questions twice now, and I asked you directly in return a few posts back.
Perhaps you could try answering the question yourself. Don't be another Chris28, full of critical questions but never any meaningful suggestions.
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"You've asked similar questions twice now, and I asked you directly in return a few posts back.
Perhaps you could try answering the question yourself. Don't be another Chris28, full of critical questions but never any meaningful suggestions.'"
I'll have a go then.
Instead of allowing ever more settlers to uproot and evict Palestinians, why don't Israel retreat back to the pre-1967 borders, as mandated for years now by the UN?
Maybe once they do that and assuming Hamas continue to "attack" Israel, they will have some tangible evidence that certain Palestinians do not want peace at all
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"I'll have a go then.
Instead of allowing ever more settlers to uproot and evict Palestinians, why don't Israel retreat back to the pre-1967 borders, as mandated for years now by the UN?
Maybe once they do that and assuming Hamas continue to "attack" Israel, they will have some tangible evidence that certain Palestinians do not want peace at all'"
That would be ideal. Except it's a fantasy. The only way Israel will retreat to those borders is if the surrounding countries attacked and beat them back. They tried that once before and Israel are considerably more powerful now.
So, avoiding fantastical solutions and given the actual realities of the situation - neither Israel nor the Palestinians/Hamas will budge - what can be done?
I think I was pretty close when I said very little. The only effective action for me would be a complete reversal of US support and severe sanctions from the entire international community - economic sanctions, a total travel ban in or out of Israel, a complete trading ban, etc. But that won't happen either. The US is too deeply tied to Israel and the international community is weak.
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"That would be ideal. Except it's a fantasy. The only way Israel will retreat to those borders is if the surrounding countries attacked and beat them back. They tried that once before and Israel are considerably more powerful now.
So, avoiding fantastical solutions and given the actual realities of the situation - neither Israel nor the Palestinians/Hamas will budge - what can be done?
I think I was pretty close when I said very little. The only effective action for me would be a complete reversal of US support and severe sanctions from the entire international community - economic sanctions, a total travel ban in or out of Israel, a complete trading ban, etc. But that won't happen either. The US is too deeply tied to Israel and the international community is weak.'"
So we just allow the bully to keep bullying its smaller neighbour?
Given Israel's past, it seems more than a little perverse that it is determined to visit the same privations on its neighbours that its own people suffered many years ago
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"You've asked similar questions twice now, and I asked you directly in return a few posts back.
Perhaps you could try answering the question yourself. Don't be another Chris28, full of critical questions but never any meaningful suggestions.'"
My suggestion would be the same as cod'ead's.
My take on it is that most of it has stemmed due to Israel simply seeing how much land they can steal in one go without the international community sanctioning them (if it would even happen). Slowly but surely expanding.
All of the recent instability in the region has only assisted Israel in that the governments are so busy sorting their own countries out after 'uprisings' that they haven't got the time or capacity to give to the matter, whether that would help or not.
The problem now is that the situation has gone on for so long that I don't think Hamas will settle for simply claiming back their land anymore. There has been so much bloodshed and so many prisoners taken that I don't believe they can ever be neighbours.
What is a massive shame is that there are successful projects between the two including, but not limited to, a successful joint scientific venture. If only the leaders of Israel weren't so hell bent on grabbing land, and both so excited by rockets.
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| The American sponsored Isrealis are doing nothing but committing Genocide, but sure, believe all the lies spouted by the western media. Its not hard to find impartial reports, detailing the atrocities committed by Isreal towards innocent palestinians. Yes, Hamas are what you would call terrorists but aiming rockets at a 3 story building in order to kill one hamas member is despicable.
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"That would be ideal. Except it's a fantasy. The only way Israel will retreat to those borders is if the surrounding countries attacked and beat them back. They tried that once before and Israel are considerably more powerful now.
So, avoiding fantastical solutions and given the actual realities of the situation - neither Israel nor the Palestinians/Hamas will budge - what can be done?
I think I was pretty close when I said very little. The only effective action for me would be a complete reversal of US support and severe sanctions from the entire international community - economic sanctions, a total travel ban in or out of Israel, a complete trading ban, etc. But that won't happen either. The US is too deeply tied to Israel and the international community is weak.'"
What would your solution be? Just let it continue?
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| Quote West Leeds Rhino="West Leeds Rhino"What would your solution be? Just let it continue?'"
You've quoted his solution. For America to stop sponsoring the murderers!
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| Quote Lebron James="Lebron James"You've quoted his solution. For America to stop sponsoring the murderers!
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He did suggest that, but also stated that it was unlikely to happen so wondered what other solutions he thought there could be.
Whilst I do agree with your sentiment, and you will note from my earlier posts whose 'side' I am on and who started it, it does take two to tango!
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