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| Quote easthull fc fan="easthull fc fan"also not read the whole thread, the paleo diet is good & herbal life is great but youve got to exercise on them. but you will turn fat into muscle. google them? paleo is back to caveman days.'"
Paleo is excellent in terms of getting good natural food into you, and there are some fantastic and tasty recipies out there (i'm currently making paleo protein brownies).
JuicePlus and Herbae are dangerous, and have been shown to be nothing but a fad that do not support sustainable weight loss. A colleague of mine is one some 600kcal a day diet, and has shed a couple of stone. He had a week off and put half a stone back on. Some people look too much for the quick and easy fix, neglecting to think slow progress is still progress.
Another point, You CANNOT turn muscle into fat. It is an impossibility. You can, however, have muscle where the fat once was.
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| Quote Ski="Ski"Paleo is excellent in terms of getting good natural food into you, and there are some fantastic and tasty recipies out there (i'm currently making paleo protein brownies).
JuicePlus and Herbae are dangerous, and have been shown to be nothing but a fad that do not support sustainable weight loss. A colleague of mine is one some 600kcal a day diet, and has shed a couple of stone. He had a week off and put half a stone back on. Some people look too much for the quick and easy fix, neglecting to think slow progress is still progress.
Another point, You CANNOT turn muscle into fat. It is an impossibility. You can, however, have muscle where the fat once was.'"
I was meaning with training & dieting you will get the right results of losing flab & gaining muscle. & them brownies sound nice! 
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| Really enjoying adding kettlebell, Tai Chi and Yoga to treadmill & shadow boxing, Tai Chi and Yoga are certainly tougher than they look at times!
Something I've realised lately too is expensive is definitely not always better. I had seen ads on the shopping channels over the years for blenders costing £100+, but I got the cheapest possible from a high street store (just in case it proved to be a 5 min wonder!) and its been brilliant so far. 
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| been adding in more and more stretching and mobility work to my routines recently trying to improve my squat a little.
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| I agree, Herbalife isn't that great at all it's also pretty much a con imo.
Eat right and train hard.
Eat 5-6 small meals a day (if you can fit it all in) not 3 big meals. Cut down on the carbs as this is what your using for energy, so if you have no carbs resources left your body will start using it's 'fat stores' for energy.
High protein - low carbs and med fats daily should be your intake.
As for the gym I go 5 times a week maybe 6 if I can fit it around work. I'm currently 'cutting' so I'm keeping my reps around the 10-12 mark for 3 to 4 sets per exercise and depending what body part I'm training usually about 6 exercises.
3 sets - 6 exercises for chest. But more exercises when training legs.
As for cardio I try to aim for 30 minutes max after hitting the free weights. 30 minutes after weight training is plenty, but on non weight days I do cardio for roughly an hour.
I aim to burn 300 calories just from doing my cardio and can hit this during my 30 minute cardio workout by walking on a treadmill on a 6-8% incline at about 6kph. Running is good for you but not for burning fat. But imo arguably the best cardio machine to burn fat is the step master.
Just makes sure to warm up on a treadmill (for instance) for 5-10 minutes and stretch also with a couple of warm up sets.
I get all this done within an hour and half at gym, so not long at all.
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| fasted walking is apparently brilliant for fat loss.
I prefer prowler/sled work but not everywhere has that equipment
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| Watched Bigger Stronger Faster last night. Certainly opened my eyes to the hypocrisy and corruption of a lot of people. My favourite bit was the lads mother crying at him even trying steroids when she probably weighed as much as the combined average three quarter line.
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| Small regular meals has proven to be a load of balls and has no advantage over 3 large meals.
I am going to let you all into a little secret here, of how you can have a body like mine. Please dont share this info as its top secret.
here we go, are you ready?
Eat less calories and exercise.
I love how people try and get all technical with exercise when in reality,all you have to do is watch your calories and exercise regulary and unless you have an underlying medical condition, you WILL lose weight or depending on the exercise, you may not lose weight but you will lose bodyfat. Most fat people will tell you they have an underlying medical conditions. Ignore them, its bull. They just eat too many calories and dont exercise.
You dont even need a gym to exercise, just buy a fitness high intenisty DVD like rushfit or insanity and you will shed more weight and look better than you would spending time in the company of the gym freaks who like to bore you with stories of "2 gramms of protein per lb of bodyweight etc etc etc" and who scream obscenities when bench pressing. *shudders*
Regards
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| Quote Ski="Ski"Paleo is excellent in terms of getting good natural food into you, and there are some fantastic and tasty recipies out there (i'm currently making paleo protein brownies).
JuicePlus and Herbae are dangerous, and have been shown to be nothing but a fad that do not support sustainable weight loss. A colleague of mine is one some 600kcal a day diet, and has shed a couple of stone. He had a week off and put half a stone back on. Some people look too much for the quick and easy fix, neglecting to think slow progress is still progress.
Another point, You CANNOT turn muscle into fat. It is an impossibility. You can, however, have muscle where the fat once was.'" That's keytosis for you. Bounce back will happen due to the fact that your muscles go from being empty of energy stores to being full again.
Not done it myself but that's what Keytosis is. It forces the body to use up all it's energy stores (Stored in it's muscles) then when it's empty it has to go looking elsewhere which is when it starts breaking down fat stores and using that instead.
It gives you bad breath and stinking urine due to the keytone's it cannot use being expelled. Nasty head aches and feeling like crap are also a side effect for a few days.
Being diabetic in keytosis is a killer though.
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| Quote BackrowSaint="BackrowSaint"Herbalife is incredibly dangerous for you. People really should read into things before suggesting them to others.
'" If you are diabetic yes.
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| Use music when exercising, makes a big difference!
Also get out more, exercise doesn't mean you need to stay in a gym.
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