|
FORUMS > The Sin Bin > Historical sexual abuse charges... |
![](images/sitelogos/2022-11.jpg) |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 28357 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/19.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | Oct 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
973_1515165968.gif Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_973.gif |
|
| Quote: JerryChicken "
1. Is it fair that an accused who is found innocent of charges should be expected to pay his/her own legal bill for defending those unproven charges '"
Patently not, but the present government really couldn't give a flying fart about fairness or justice, as all their so called "justice" reforms so clearly show.
Quote: JerryChicken "3. The judge in the case yesterday (which is potentially still ongoing) told the jury not to judge the charges by applying historical, more relaxed attitudes to sexism '"
An outrageous direction. To commit a crime, you have to have the[i mens rea[/i i.e. the criminal intention. How else can that be judged except by considering the mores of the day? Would anybody be convicted in court today, on the basis of an argument that "in 40 years you know, this will be illegal and frowned upon"?
Quote: JerryChicken "4. Is it time that a time limit was put on historical sexual abuse accusations,'"
Probably yes, but if a person is suspected of the most serious of allegations, eg rape, then I have no problem of a prosecution being brought very late - as long as the evidence is so compelling and the prospects of a conviction so great that the CPS are confident they will get a conviction. In many cases the very passage of several decades before a complaint is made should, surely, place a very heavy burden on the CPS before they go fo a prosecution, especially given the extreme handicap of an accused having to try to defend something so far back in the mists of time. For offneces down the scale, absolutely there should be a limit. If it was not important enough at the time or within a close timescale, then that's tough. The complainant made their choice to live with whatever they thought it was, and should not be allowed to change their mind.
Quote: JerryChicken "5. Are all of the ongoing "celeb" trials and/or indecisions currently sat on the desk of the CPS simply a kneejerk reaction to the Savile revelations which, let us remind ourselves, were not made until after his death and so are unproven in a court of law yet generally accepted as true by a media who wish it to be so being that he was "a bit strange" - echoes of Chris Jefferies ??? '"
Clealry there was a feeling of outrage that one celeb had escaped prosecution and I reckon that created the atmosphere of getting after not-yet-dead celebs as a mix of revenge and especially as a partial smokescreen over the perceived widespread failings that seemingly allowed Savile to escape the law for so long. People seem to be not so much bothered about whether it really happened, as by whether another celeb might escape on their watch.
Looking at the cases that have finished, whilst I haven't sat in court and listened to every word, I have had a strong and recurring feeling of disbelief as to some of the stuff which was being aired in court after 4 decades. It was no surprise at all to me that all these charges against those acquitted were thrown out, the only mystery to me is how the CPS persuaded themselves that they had a case fit to put before a court, let alone that it was in the public interest to do so, certainly in the majority of the sort of events being complained of.
One consideration that doesn't seem to have featured is that in the case of people like DLT and Roache, acquittal, while obviously better than spending years at the back end of your life behind bars, doesn't mean to say that their later years aren't blighted; they clearly are. If they are indeed innocent of any crime, that is a tragedy, and sadly in the eyes of many their acquittals will not restore their reputations. I saw some banal commentary in one news report that Roache could now "start to rebuild his career". He's eighty-odd, ffs; 20 years past the age where normal people retire.
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 37704 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2018 | Aug 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
2051.jpg The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
|
| The Times has also discovered that the barrister advising Alsion Saunders worked, until recently at the same chambers as Janner's son
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 26578 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/29.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2002 | 22 years | |
![](//menu.rlfans.com/images/moreinfo.png)
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2017 | Apr 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
1408_1377158863.jpg [url=http://tinyurl.com/xmaschoccy:3awnsnxa][img:3awnsnxa]http://imgur.com/dR3Vl.gif[/img:3awnsnxa][/url:3awnsnxa]
[b:3awnsnxa][url=http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335822080&toolid=10001&customid=sitcforum&ext=rugby+league&satitle=rugby+league:3awnsnxa]ebay's Rugby League Bargains[/url:3awnsnxa][/b:3awnsnxa] ¦ [b:3awnsnxa][url=http://pepperkorn.shauctions.hop.clickbank.net/?tid=CAP1:3awnsnxa]Boost Your eBay Sales[/url:3awnsnxa][/b:3awnsnxa] ¦ [b:3awnsnxa][url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=%26%2334%3Brugby%20league%26%2334%3B&tag=newrugbyleaguestore-21&index=blended&linkCode=ur2&camp=1634&creative=6738:3awnsnxa]Recommended Amazon Stuff[/url:3awnsnxa][/b:3awnsnxa] ¦ [b:3awnsnxa][url=http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-2143305-10444737:3awnsnxa]Get a Free Ink Cart!!![/url:3awnsnxa][/b:3awnsnxa] ¦ [b:3awnsnxa][url=http://tinyurl.com/yettlvv:3awnsnxa]Quins RL T-Shirts, BRAND NEW DESIGNS[/url:3awnsnxa][/b:3awnsnxa]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1408.jpg |
|
| Quote: cod'ead "According to the Sunday Times, just two weeks ago Janner signed a request to extend his membership of the HoL despite his leave of absence'"
Ah...
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 4420 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2004 | 20 years | |
![](//menu.rlfans.com/images/moreinfo.png)
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2020 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
9387.gif Challenge Cup
1923/24, 1928/29, 1947/48, 1950/51, 1957/58, 1958/59, 1964/65, 1984/85, 1987/88, 1988/89, 1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95, 2002, 2011, 2013
World Club Challenge
1987/88, 1991/92, 1993/94
Championship/SL
1908/09, 1921/22, 1925/26, 1933/34, 1945/46, 1946/47, 1949/50, 1951/52, 1959/60, 1986/87, 1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95, 1995, 1998, 2010, 2013
Charity Shield
1985/86, 1987/1988, 1991/92, 1995/96
Regal Trophy
1982/83, 1985/86, 1986/87, 1988/89, 1989/90, 1992/93, 1994/95, 1995/96
Lancashire Cup
1905/06, 1908/09, 1909/10, 1912/13, 1922/23, 1928/29, 1938/39, 1946/47, 1947/48, 1948/49, 1949/50, 1950/51, 1951/52, 1966/67, 1971/72, 1973/74, 1985/86, 1986/87, 1987/88, 1988/89, 1992/93
Lancashire League
1901/02, 1908/09, 1910/11, 1911/12, 1912/13, 1913/14, 1914/15, 1920/21, 1922/23, 1923/24, 1925/26, 1945/46, 1946/47, 1949/50, 1951/52, 1958/59, 1961/62, 1969/70
As Well as other comps that won't fit:9387.gif |
|
| The whole system is rotten to the core.
| | | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 37704 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2018 | Aug 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
2051.jpg The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
|
| At least Keith Harris died before he could face charges of sticking his hand up a young bird
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 28357 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/19.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | Oct 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
973_1515165968.gif Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_973.gif |
|
| Quote: cod'ead "At least Keith Harris died before he could face charges of sticking his hand up a young bird'"
What an orville thing to say ![NAUGHTY eusa_naughty.gif](images/smilies//eusa_naughty.gif)
| | |
![](images/sitelogos/2022-11.jpg) | |
![](images/sitelogos/2022-11.jpg) |
All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.
Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.
RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.
Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM
You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.
Please Support RLFANS.COM
3.328125:5
|
|
POSTS | ONLINE | REGISTRATIONS | RECORD | 19.6M | 2,794 | 80,085 | 14,103 |
| LOGIN HERE or REGISTER for more features!.
When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
|
RLFANS Match Centre ![](images/on.png)
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1 | | PLD | F | A | DIFF | PTS |
Wigan |
15 |
427 |
170 |
257 |
26 |
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Warrington |
17 |
436 |
231 |
205 |
24 |
St.Helens |
16 |
429 |
170 |
259 |
22 |
Hull KR |
16 |
397 |
217 |
180 |
22 |
Salford |
16 |
317 |
308 |
9 |
22 |
Catalans |
16 |
304 |
234 |
70 |
20 |
|
Leeds |
17 |
309 |
316 |
-7 |
18 |
Huddersfield |
16 |
298 |
365 |
-67 |
12 |
Leigh |
15 |
270 |
250 |
20 |
11 |
Castleford |
16 |
246 |
435 |
-189 |
9 |
Hull FC |
16 |
218 |
496 |
-278 |
4 |
LondonB |
16 |
156 |
615 |
-459 |
2 |
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1 | | PLD | F | A | DIFF | PTS |
Wakefield |
14 |
520 |
154 |
366 |
28 |
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Sheffield |
14 |
382 |
217 |
165 |
22 |
Bradford |
14 |
353 |
230 |
123 |
19 |
Toulouse |
13 |
344 |
186 |
158 |
17 |
Widnes |
14 |
327 |
269 |
58 |
15 |
Featherstone |
14 |
396 |
283 |
113 |
14 |
|
Doncaster |
14 |
257 |
341 |
-84 |
13 |
York |
15 |
339 |
305 |
34 |
12 |
Batley |
14 |
217 |
320 |
-103 |
12 |
Swinton |
14 |
284 |
344 |
-60 |
10 |
Halifax |
14 |
270 |
405 |
-135 |
10 |
Whitehaven |
14 |
266 |
424 |
-158 |
10 |
Barrow |
13 |
215 |
393 |
-178 |
10 |
Dewsbury |
15 |
184 |
439 |
-255 |
2 |
|