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| Quote Neil HFC="Neil HFC"a) Aside from it being illegal you mean?
b) You what?'"
I think he's saying that gay people can get married just to somebody of the opposite sex, therefore there is nothing discriminatory about the present laws, however given that there is no evidence that a person can choose their sexuality then this does not refute the claim that the present laws are discriminatory.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Quote Dally="Rock God X"Are you really as thick as you're going to great lengths to make out you are? Of course a line has to be drawn with what degree of relatedness should prevent two people from being able to marry. The reasons for that are obvious and where the line is drawn is open to debate.
All of which is totally irrelevant to the same sex marriage debate. There will be a 0% birth defect rate as a result of same sex marriages, so it's not a factor worth considering when deciding whether or not to legalise it.
To bring it into the debate shows either breathtaking stupidity, or deliberate disingenuousness.'"
But you don't see or accept that some people draw a line on the marriage issue in a different place to you? Some people clearly draw a line in the metaphorical sand somewhere between heterosexuals and homosexuals. You seem to draw a line elsewhere but not in a place that allows anyone to marry anyone else they may love.'"
Obviously you are that thick.
If two homosexual people choose to get married, no one stands to be harmed. There are no logical reasons for same sex marriage to remain illegal. The same cannot be said of incest. Your argument is utterly ridiculous.
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| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"Obviously you are that thick.
If two homosexual people choose to get married, no one stands to be harmed. There are no logical reasons for same sex marriage to remain illegal. The same cannot be said of incest. Your argument is utterly ridiculous.'"
Why would two consenting members of the family using contraception cause each other harm? Your argument is farcical. The issue comes down to one of morality (whatever that is) and you do not have a monopoly on that. Indeed, based on human history I would say your view would be considered morally regugnant in most socities in most eras. Just accept that.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Quote Dally="Rock God X"Obviously you are that thick.
If two homosexual people choose to get married, no one stands to be harmed. There are no logical reasons for same sex marriage to remain illegal. The same cannot be said of incest. Your argument is utterly ridiculous.'"
Why would two consenting members of the family using contraception cause each other harm? Your argument is farcical. The issue comes down to one of morality (whatever that is) and you do not have a monopoly on that. Indeed, based on human history I would say your view would be considered morally regugnant in most socities in most eras. Just accept that.'"
FFS. Do you know of a form of contraception that's 100% effective? If you do, get it to market immediately - you'll be a very rich man. It's quite obviously not themselves they'll harm, you blithering idiot, it's any potential offspring. Making incest illegal prevents even the possibility of the sort of birth defects such a pairing might lead to.
As for your argument about morality, this just highlights your bigotry. If two people love each other, there's nothing remotely immoral about them marrying one another. Slavery was also fairly commonplace in the past, but that doesn't make it right.
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| 'blithering idiot'.
It was worth reading over the entrenched forces just to read that phrase.
Thank you.
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| Well done UK MPs. My thoughts on this topic when discussed a while ago were driven by the (obviously wrong) impression that such a vote could never get through the Commons and losing such a vote by going too early would put the cause back a long way.
This may push Australia to have another look at the issue, although my (again possibly incorrect) feeling is that it would be hard to get enough Liberals (equivalent of Tories) to support it right now.
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"Well done UK MPs. My thoughts on this topic when discussed a while ago were driven by the (obviously wrong) impression that such a vote could never get through the Commons and losing such a vote by going too early would put the cause back a long way.
This may push Australia to have another look at the issue, although my (again possibly incorrect) feeling is that it would be hard to get enough Liberals (equivalent of Tories) to support it right now.'"
Julia Gillard doesn't support it either.
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| Quote Sheldon="Sheldon"Julia Gillard doesn't support it either.'"
Not surprising really. Australia could hardly be held as a beacon for promoting equality and integration over the years
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Why would two consenting members of the family using contraception cause each other harm?...'"
Unbelievable response.
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"Quote cod'ead="Sheldon"Julia Gillard doesn't support it either.'"
Not surprising really. Australia could hardly be held as a beacon for promoting equality and integration over the years'"
She's to behind in the polls to support it, disappointing for someone who doesn't blame her position on religion.
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| Quote Gareth1984="Gareth1984"I think he's saying that gay people can get married just to somebody of the opposite sex, therefore there is nothing discriminatory about the present laws, however given that there is no evidence that a person can choose their sexuality then this does not refute the claim that the present laws are discriminatory.'"
I thought he was just contradicting himself. But this response is to the point and excellent. 
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