Quote Gareth1984="Gareth1984"I don't care what Genesis 1 says, however Genesis 1 is quite clearly wrong, as the evidence clearly show that we did evolve from other animals.'"
There is no evidence that we evolved from animals. If there is, I'd love for you to show me it. That's if you can spare 5 minutes away from swinging from tree to tree eating bananas.
Quote Gareth1984I also note that you didn't address my point regarding your comment that we can't be apes because we are humans which is the equivalent of saying that chimpanzees cannot be apes because they are chimpanzees. '"
How can we be apes when apes are animals? My 3 year old son knows what animals are. You obviously don't. Next time I go the the zoo I'll be sure to look at the people enclosure (as this is an RL forum, let's call this Wheldon Road).
Quote Gareth1984This line of reasoning may be acceptable from a six year old child but I cannot believe a fully grown adult could make such an argument'"
My 3 year old just laughed when I told him a fully grown human didn't know the difference between people and animals.
Seriously, I see where you're coming from in that we have similar genetics. However, whilst it may appear that we are part of the same family, where you incorrectly see 'evolution', I see God's fingerprints. Tell me, if you were molding a batch of figurines from the same clay, there would be similarities between the physical properties of each one, wouldn't there? If you were painting many different styles of pictures,they'd all have the same signature, wouldn't they?
We all have God's signature imprinted in us. Just because we see it in animals doesn't mean we are the same as them -it means we have the same creator.
Quote Gareth1984I don't care if the scientific evidence is consistent with scripture that is the problem of those who choose to believe in scripture.'"
It's no problem for me. It's actually very easy to reconcile.
Quote Gareth1984If, however the scientific evidence is inconsistent with scripture then those that reject the scientific evidence because it contradicts scripture end up making themselves look ridiculous. '"
Jesus and his apostles were mocked. The opinions of the eternally lost sadden me, but don't embarrass me.
Quote Gareth1984I also made no reference to truth and nor does science. Science provides provisional and testable explanations for natural phenomena. Evolutionary theory does a great job of explaining the diversity of life around us whilst such evidence falsifies the biblical view of creation.'"
The biblical account is entirely consistent with what we can see before us.
Quote Gareth1984Any it was scientists who were able to show that this view was incorrect and replaced it with a much better model which is consistent with the observational evidence. '"
Christian scientists did, yes.
Quote Gareth1984Just as scientists were able to show that the biblical view of creation is incorrect and replaced it with evolutionary theory which does a much better job of explaining the data.'"
Scientists have demonstrated no such thing.
Quote Gareth1984Evolutionary theory may one day be overturned just like any other scientific theory'"
Aha! Yowzer! Yes, you recognise that it is fallible.
Quote Gareth1984however any theory that replaces Evolution has to explain the evidence from fields such as genetics, palaeontology, embryology, comparative anatomy, molecular biology.etc which the creationist position is incapable of explaining without those who hold it resorting to falsehoods & misrepresenting the evidence.'"
Care to tell me how creationism fails to explain each of the above?
Quote Gareth1984Wanting something to be true doesn't mean you are biased, however it does often lead to confirmation bias where you reject data that does not conform to your particular position. '"
Often, but not always.
Quote Gareth1984This is why it is silly to start from the position that the bible is true and then find "evidence" to support this position post hoc.'"
Like I said, I used to share your view and ended up being a Christian.
Quote Gareth1984I can't speak for other atheists however I'm an atheist because there is no evidence whatsoever to support the existence of gods. If evidence could be provided to show that a god existed then I would happily accept such evidence. '"
You are not part of the elect. Yet, at least.
Quote Gareth1984You on the other hand are suggested with your quote from Matthew 7:7 that we should start with the belief that the "Holy Spirit" exists and then we will be provided with the evidence, which is putting the cart before the horse.'"
Mate, that's the way it is. I don't make the rules.
