Humans are a species of ape, something that biologists realised long before the theory of evolution by natural selection had been formulated.



The evidence shows that humans have been on this planet for 100-200 thousand years and life has been around for over 3.5 billion years. Death predates the existence the existence of humans regardless of what your book of myths has to say on the subject.



This is confirmation bias, If you start from the position that the bible is true and seek to prove your original position then you are likely to ignore evidence to the contrary and only find "evidence" which supports your original position.

As a consequence if you begin with the conclusion that something is true and then seek evidence to support this view then you will usually arrive at the conclusion that your initial position is correct. This does not however show that your initial position is correct.

It's not wishy washy rubbish. You need to be truly open to the idea in order to be in a position to accept it.



How do you know they were goat herders? And if they were, why does that even matter?



No it doesn't, but you can't experience the same level of personal relationship with a fictional character than you can with Jesus.

Humans are humans, unless, of course, you can show me a human who isn't a human?



I don't know how long humans or any life has been around, though obviously animals and plants are slightly older than mankind.



I used to be a non-believer and was fascinated with the arguments put forward by the likes of Sagan and Dawkins. My born again experience occurred AFTER hearing all the supposed evidence to the contrary.



The Holy Spirit drew me closer to God and then I learned more about Jesus and was born again. Call the work of the Spirit what you want.

Wh-aaaat?

So many illusions shattered on this thread, I may stop reading it now.

Sounds like your average match day at Ibrox...

Joy unconfined.

Having been absent for a few days due to work and a blethering cold, I return to find you've all been feeding the trolls.

Still, I suppose it keeps them out of mischief.

Wow I didn't think it was possible for anyone to be this dumb. Yes humans are humans however we are also apes just as we are also mammals, vertebrates, animals etc. Your response is the equivalent of saying that a Samsung Galaxy is not a phone unless you can show me a Samsung Galaxy that isn't a Samsung Galaxy.



Actually they have been around more than slightly longer rather animals have been around for hundreds of millions of years. And unlike your assertions in this thread there is actual scientific evidence to show this.



This doesn't address what I said, I don't care about your personal experience. I was responding to your comment that suggested we need to seek god first in order to have "evidence", which shows confirmation bias.

No, Genesis 1 is quite clear that humans came after animals but not from animals. To say that we are animals now is pure lunacy.



But your ‘scientific evidence’ is not consistent with scripture, nor is it necessarily the truth. For centuries scientists had us all convinced that the sun orbited the Earth. No doubt that was the ‘truth’ of the day.



Wanting something to be true does not necessarily mean you are biased. If that were the case, I could accuse atheists who hate religion of the same crime – they blaspheme against the Holy Spirit because they are stubborn and want to be their own masters.

It can be, but if you look any more than superficially, kirkstaller is just on a wind-up mission, and it isn't much fun putting points for debate to him, since (as I have repeatedly demonstrated conclusively) he will avoid a specific response to a specific question like the plague. And then his tactics are depressingly standard, if pressed, he will either make increasingly absurd metaphysical claims, or produce purely moronic self-fulfilling "answers" ("because he is god and he just can"; "because it says so in my bible"; or some such irritating non-responses. Or else say he can't be bothered looking up your questions, and could you please repeat them. Then he will go back to square one with his avoidance technique.

The one bit I haven't quite worked out is what it is he hopes to achieve. Even he must have worked out by now that his views on thing like this are viewed as risible, and held in utter contempt by his chosen target audience. It is pointless him re-spouting the drivel. And yet he does. The likelihood to me is he must aim to wind people up. And yes some of the stuff is fun, but the funniest aspect for me is some of his "god" explanations, such as the six days bit etc., which are laugh-out-loud, coffee-spluttering barkingly mad-funny, and it isn't necessary to respond to his drivel in order to have a good laugh.

And it's also fun to just occasionally give him a poke, to perplex him for amusement. Which I may shortly do.


But you work for Satan, and your imminent return to the thread was correctly predicted by kirkstadamus, this must conclusively prove something or other.

Is it? This must mean you can point us to evidence that we are not animals. I await this, breathlessly.


And what is the "truth" of it, and precisely where do you get that information from? You can't be alluding to non-religious, scientific discoveries - can you?




Is this the same Holy Spirit that allegedly made a virgin pregnant? As well as knocking up Elisabeth for good measure, despite her being past it, and without so much as a by-your-leave? You see this guy as a role model for masters?

And remind us what your church did to those who said otherwise...