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Have you all rallied behind Red Ed after his inspirational speech yesterday?

Where is this One Nation based - is it fantasyland? Every 4 or 5 years wannabee PMs tell us how they have a golden vision for Britain and how they'll improve things and their very existence in politics is because of their destiny to lead us to a brighter future . So, if they were all competent and / or truthful then why over my life-time has Britain not arrived in Utopia? Maybe this One Nation is not based here but is a bunch of ex-pats in Fantasyland?

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...Actually, I WILL give a view on it.

It was a politicians speech. It blamed everything on everyone else. It promised jam tomorrow. It said "We're the good guys, everyone else is bad". It had a nice collection of soundbites for those too stupid to follow the whole thing.

In short, it was a politicians speech. What did you expect? The same was amde by the Lib Dems and the same will be made by the Tories.

Nothing changes.

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Quote: Scooter Nik "...Actually, I WILL give a view on it.

It was a politicians speech. It blamed everything on everyone else. It promised jam tomorrow. It said "We're the good guys, everyone else is bad". It had a nice collection of soundbites for those too stupid to follow the whole thing.

In short, it was a politicians speech. What did you expect? The same was amde by the Lib Dems and the same will be made by the Tories.

Nothing changes.'"


Well if you did follow the whole thing you would have picked up on one idea that is very worthwhile and that is measures to attempt to end the short term-ism in company thinking by removing the 3 month reporting schedule and mention that it is far too easy to take companies over in this country led by a desire of hedge funds to make a killing rather than there being any business logic behind it.

There were a few things in there like this but I am under no illusion they will go as far as they should. He mentioned putting business in charge of the money used for training so they can have people trained as they want. This would seem to be giving business what they want. How can they complain if they control the purse strings is probably part of the motivation for this but I can't say I think this is a good idea as it I think it will simply result in more public money heading into private company hands for little real return.

All the three parties are far too wedded to private sector involvement in just about everything.

That said Ed M does in my view represent the lesser evil of any of them. If we have to put up with this private sector involvement and an economy run on neo-liberal lines regardless of who wins then voting Labour on the promise to repeal the NHS bill is good enough reason to vote that way for me.

I do not think Cameron would be PM today if people thought he was going to do what he has to the NHS regardless of Labour's supposed blame for the world financial crisis.

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Quote: DaveO " He mentioned putting business in charge of the money used for training so they can have people trained as they want. This would seem to be giving business what they want. How can they complain if they control the purse strings is probably part of the motivation for this but I can't say I think this is a good idea as it I think it will simply result in more public money heading into private company hands for little real return.

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One business leader this week was heard to moan: "what happens to my business if I train someone and they then leave to go to a competitor"?

He was answered with: "what happens to your business if you fail to train anyone"?

Short-termism in all its glory

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Quote: cod'ead "One business leader this week was heard to moan

The answer to that is - Do what your predecessors used to do - give them a five year contract that neither of you can opt out of for frivolous reasons and make sure there is a transferable qualification at the end of it, treat them reasonably, don't act like a tw*t towards them, and you'd be surprised just how many of them stay with you until the day you all retire.

Short term employment and high staff turnover didn't start with the employees, its expensive and its disruptive and the best employers keep their staff and keep the secret of how they keep their staff.

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Quote: McLaren_Field "The answer to that is - Do what your predecessors used to do - give them a five year contract that neither of you can opt out of for frivolous reasons and make sure there is a transferable qualification at the end of it, treat them reasonably, don't act like a tw*t towards them, and you'd be surprised just how many of them stay with you until the day you all retire.

Short term employment and high staff turnover didn't start with the employees, its expensive and its disruptive and the best employers keep their staff and keep the secret of how they keep their staff.'"


The various Industry Training Boards were (by & large) great institutions. Funded through an industry levy, they became persona non grata when some of the bigger companies, that by extension contributed more, complained to government about this "needless cost" on their business. As each board fell away, so training also reduced, even at the macro-company level. IIRC the Construction Industry Training Board is the only one still in existence.

There has been a driven agenda to de-skill as much of the workforce as possible. This may have the short-term effect of reducing labour costs but it invariably presents problems because those left in the workforce do not possess the skills to tackle any "out of the ordinary" problem. Those who may have the ability to do so have usually been put out to pasture, so the solution then is to buy-in "expertise", usually at exhorbitant cost to the business. - Short-termism again.

Take the vehicle repair business as an example: 30 years ago a lad would be apprenticed, he would study at night school & day release tech college and once qualified, he would be a competent technician and was called a "fitter". Now we have someone who receives training on a diagnostics machine, identifies a problem component and fits a new part. For some reason, he is now called a technician.

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 Sat 28th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
 Sun 29th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
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Doncaster
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Halifax
15:00
York
v
Featherstone
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
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v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov 2024
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12:00
ENGLAND W
v
WALES W
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
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Thu 8th Aug
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Fri 9th Aug
SL
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Sat 10th Aug
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Sun 11th Aug
SL
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SL
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Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
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SL
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SL
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Huddersfield-Castleford
Fri 23rd Aug
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20:00
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SL
20:00
Leeds-Catalans
Sat 24th Aug
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St.Helens-Hull KR
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Sun 25th Aug
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LondonB-Leigh
SL
15:00
Wigan-Hull FC
Fri 30th Aug
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Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
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Tue 6th Aug
SL 2 Wigan28-6Leigh
Sun 4th Aug
SL 20 LondonB12-10Catalans
WSL2024 10 FeatherstoneW6-68LeedsW
WSL2024 10 BarrowW6-64St.HelensW
WSL2024 10 Wire W0-61York V
WSL2024 10 WiganW70-0Hudds W
L1 18 Keighley72-12Newcastle
L1 18 Oldham32-0Midlands
L1 18 Rochdale46-32Cornwall
L1 18 Workington24-28Crusaders
CH 20 Barrow24-24Bradford
CH 20 Dewsbury16-42Wakefield
CH 20 Featherstone24-16Batley
CH 20 Halifax38-18York
CH 20 Sheffield22-20Doncaster
CH 20 Whitehaven12-24Widnes
NRL 22 Penrith22-14Newcastle
NRL 22 Canterbury22-18Canberra
Sat 3rd Aug
SL 20 Hull FC6-46St.Helens
SL 20 Salford22-16Leeds
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 20 523 264 259 32
Hull KR 20 503 259 244 30
Warrington 20 502 267 235 28
Salford 20 377 382 -5 26
St.Helens 20 501 262 239 24
Catalans 20 376 286 90 24
 
Leeds 20 371 364 7 20
Leigh 20 398 314 84 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 20 274 612 -338 6
LondonB 20 210 735 -525 4
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 18 626 222 404 34
Sheffield 18 510 303 207 26
Toulouse 17 516 224 292 25
Widnes 18 434 319 115 23
Bradford 18 421 321 100 22
Featherstone 18 464 375 89 18
 
Doncaster 18 338 432 -94 17
York 19 446 383 63 16
Batley 18 300 390 -90 16
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Barrow 17 279 482 -203 13
Swinton 18 346 470 -124 12
Whitehaven 18 348 580 -232 12
Dewsbury 19 240 602 -362 2
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