It is up to them and i hope we stay altogether doesn't mean i can't talk about it and discuss it now does it.

Those that actually do get benefits and CAN work should be under council supervision doing jobs for the council for 4 days a week while spending one day a week gathering information to get a job. Those excluded are ones that CAN'T WORK for disabled reasons and those that are trying to improve themselves by been at college or Uni.

If you don't agree with that then quite frankly i have no more time for you.

What do we do with the council employess who are thrown out of work because someone is doing their job for nowt?

So you think the best way of dealing with those who, in your opinion, don't know what they're talking about, is to produce an ill-conceived, barely literate response to their posts in order demonstrate just how superior your understanding of the situation is?

Err ... err ... err ...

For goodness sake – stop bringing logic into the equation.

Fook me. And you have the temerity to accuse others of not knowing what they're talking about.

Hang on - aren't council jobs non-jobs, "completely unnecessary" according to some? So we want people to work for nothing, doing nothing, in jobs that don't need to be done?

Good shout.

Actually, it's obvious.

You sack all the people who are doing 'non-jobs' (and why not those doing 'real' jobs too?) and then make them do the same jobs for their benefit, thus saving money on wages and, of course, pensions.

This is a bit like all those people who think that prisoners should do jobs, without actually considering who does such jobs now.

Like it! So people in say, Reading, will be paying, via tax, for my council services in Sheffield!

(Although I'd also be paying for services in other places too - not so sure now)

We could always just scrap a load of services like street lighting, refuse collection, gritting and then we wouldn't have to pay anything at all. To anybody.

It's more than that though. By hard work they can build a life here. By working hard you can earn reasonable money shelf-stacking. Titan was doing OK by being willing to work whenever no body else wanted to, working nights, workinfg 18 hour shifts consecutively when the managers needed help. Some of the Polish people keep families here working that way. Other, younger ones fund higher education here by working night shifts. All I'm saying is too many people's first reaction is that jobs are crap when they're not - it's people's attitdues that are crap. Even a graduate young Brit should be proud to do a couple of years in that sort of job to earn money, build a strong work ethic and as a stepping stone to other opportunities.

Don't feel too bad about it.
I have agreed with him on occasion.
At least you've got an open mind.

A part of the equation that is often omitted is that when, say, Poles come to Britain, they are not just seeing the few pounds they are paid but also seeing how much more that money is worth back home in Krakow.
In some ways it's more worth their while to rough it for a couple of years to build up a nice lump sum which will buy them more at the end than it would for an equivalent Brit.

Whilst I do think many young Brits would benefit from a bit of hard slog (and it is bloody hard, some of it) in the fields, let's keep it in perspective.

EDIT ... just realised that Mintball beat me to pretty much the same comment ... sorry, should have checked.

And many do. It's a myth that none will.

My own niece, for instance, worked on and off throughout her course (when she could get work) and is currently working in a shop having got her degree.