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| Quote Dally="Dally"Quite.
The idea of GPs rationing health care is laughable. They don't even know about the treatments available for more complex conditions so how could they make reasonable decisions?
As to sick notes - they seem to sign them if people ask, without question. There must be other situations were they sign them even if the patient would prefer to go to work. I've only heard the headlines, but who will be judging instead? It's not going to be more qualified doctors as they have better things to do. In which case it'll be less qualified people, which would be outright dangerous.'"
A government appointed 'independant' panel.
So probably someone like Atos. That should be fun.
My GP and consultant are already furious that Atos and the DWP can, and have, completely disregarded their reports. I can just imagine how chuffed the GP is going to be now the government are basically saying he's either too thick to realise when people are at it or too lazy/corrupt to be bothered.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Quite.
The idea of GPs rationing health care is laughable. They don't even know about the treatments available for more complex conditions so how could they make reasonable decisions?
As to sick notes - they seem to sign them if people ask, without question. There must be other situations were they sign them even if the patient would prefer to go to work. I've only heard the headlines, but who will be judging instead? It's not going to be more qualified doctors as they have better things to do. In which case it'll be less qualified people, which would be outright dangerous.'"
Probably the shambles of a company called ATOS. This system is already happening to qualify for ESA. You are assesed by a medical assesor, that could be a doctor, nurse or physiotherapist, luck of the draw whether they are familiar with your condition. You are asked computer based questions without the right to reply about how your condition affects you in relation to what they've just asked. Nail on the head with dangerous, I don't usually agree with you or the paper you insist is the voice of the nation but even your beloved Daily Mail readers are in disagreement on this one!
My GP would issue me with a sick note straight away because he is aware of my condition, my treatments, my surgeries, my physical limitations, the side effects of drugs I'm taking etc, etc and to have someone with no knowledge of any of that is wrong and as you point out, dangerous.
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| Dear GP,
Here is an £80m budget, you are responsible enough to deal with it yourself and decide where it should be spent.
Yours
Andrew Landsley
PS. As you can't be trusted to see when your patient is well, you can't sign anyone off any more.
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| Quote Hull White Star="Hull White Star"Probably the shambles of a company called ATOS. This system is already happening to qualify for ESA. You are assesed by a medical assesor, that could be a doctor, nurse or physiotherapist, luck of the draw whether they are familiar with your condition. You are asked computer based questions without the right to reply about how your condition affects you in relation to what they've just asked. Nail on the head with dangerous, I don't usually agree with you or the paper you insist is the voice of the nation but even your beloved Daily Mail readers are in disagreement on this one!
My GP would issue me with a sick note straight away because he is aware of my condition, my treatments, my surgeries, my physical limitations, the side effects of drugs I'm taking etc, etc and to have someone with no knowledge of any of that is wrong and as you point out, dangerous.'"
It's a price worth paying
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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"And as countless surveys have shown, everyone apart from those at the very top, have seen their incomes fall against the rising cost of living over the last 30 years.'"
Do you have any links to any of these surveys?
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| Quote Sandra The Terrorist="Sandra The Terrorist"With bait like that you must be expecting a pretty big haul lad.'"
This is no bait at all and just the truth.
As it happens I’m at the job centre on Wednesday and I shall show them this guardian article and request that I get fully paid for my slave labour at ASDA which lasted for five weeks.
I’m also going to recommend that the staff at the job centre do the decent thing and refuse to send clients to these private contracts on moral grounds. If anyone can stop this from happening it is them because they’re the ones who sign off clients to these poverty pimps. Just doing their job I suppose.
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Quote Mintball="Mintball"All you could start with [iThe Spirit Level[/i, which examines in admittedly dry fashion the results of widening income gaps.'"
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was more interested in the claim regarding cost of living compared to income for all but those at the very top. The only mention of this I spotted in any of those links was:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13663778
Quote MintballIt added that a significant proportion of workers have received little if any financial benefit from the doubling in size of the British economy in the last 30 years.'"
However receiving little or no benefit is not the same as being worse off.
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Quote Mintball="Mintball"All you could start with [iThe Spirit Level[/i, which examines in admittedly dry fashion the results of widening income gaps.'"
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was more interested in the claim regarding cost of living compared to income for all but those at the very top. The only mention of this I spotted in any of those links was:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13663778
Quote MintballIt added that a significant proportion of workers have received little if any financial benefit from the doubling in size of the British economy in the last 30 years.'"
However receiving little or no benefit is not the same as being worse off.
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There's just been something on the BBC lunchtime news about executive pay way outpacing the pay of anyone else.
However:
"The picture in the UK is complex. It, along with the US and some other anglophone countries, saw a rapid rise in income inequality between the mid-1970s and the mid-1990s. Since then, the increase in the UK has broadly levelled off for most people although those at the very top of the income distribution have continued to accelerate away from everybody else."
www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fc77fce8-7580 ... z1eRFXPHED
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7193904.stm
"It is well known that the distribution of income in the United Kingdom has widened
considerably in the last three decades. This rise has been a result of a widening at both
the top and bottom of the wage distribution. More recently, most of the action appears
to have occurred at the top of the distribution with lower wage workers keeping pace
with the median."
eprints.lse.ac.uk/28780/1/cepsp21.pdf
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There's just been something on the BBC lunchtime news about executive pay way outpacing the pay of anyone else.
However:
"The picture in the UK is complex. It, along with the US and some other anglophone countries, saw a rapid rise in income inequality between the mid-1970s and the mid-1990s. Since then, the increase in the UK has broadly levelled off for most people although those at the very top of the income distribution have continued to accelerate away from everybody else."
www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fc77fce8-7580 ... z1eRFXPHED
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7193904.stm
"It is well known that the distribution of income in the United Kingdom has widened
considerably in the last three decades. This rise has been a result of a widening at both
the top and bottom of the wage distribution. More recently, most of the action appears
to have occurred at the top of the distribution with lower wage workers keeping pace
with the median."
eprints.lse.ac.uk/28780/1/cepsp21.pdf
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Quote instant moneywww.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/22/high-executive-pay-corrosive-economy'"
It seems back in the 80's the top man at Barclays earned 13 times the national average whereas now they earn 169 times the average. Why is this? I am sure the bank is more profitable these days but lets not forget a lot of this will have come from de-regulation which led to what was kind of like "instant money" for many institutions. The best analogy I can think of is when the privatisations went through where I don't think one of them was priced properly so it was a sure fire bet your money would increase overnight for no effort and nothing actually produced. It seems in a similar way banks since deregulation have not really had to work that hard to make billions of profit and have become self serving institutions of little public worth as they strive to avoid tax where possible while at the same time paying daft wages to those at the top.
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| A picture worth a thousand words? Here's an interesting graph

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